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CarolW
10-24-2008, 08:34 PM
Hi All,

Because I'm retired, and always home, I can adjust food-and-insulin times at my convenience. I've always been sensitive to circadian rhythms, as they're called - that is, the BodyBrain combination adjusts to daylight, dark, and twilight, and this is known to be true for most species.

Of course, in human life, we often go by the clock instead of light, so we get the clock-changes at this time of year, at least in many places. And because my vet said, feed twice a day, 12 hours apart, and give insulin 30 minutes after feeding, in summer, I feed when it's light, and in winter, I feed when it's dark!

It took me several rounds before I finally settled on a very specific time of day and evening to feed and give insulin that I find suitable for my own particular BodyBrain sensitivities, and seem also to suit Kwali and Kumbi. At first, I was feeding at 8 a.m. and p.m., and giving insulin at 8:30, because that's how the vet had set things up for Kumbi to begin with - it suited their clinic hours, when Kumbi was hospitalized. (1 September, 2006).

Since then, I've tried feeding at 7:30 and giving insulin at 8, and then, later, feeding at 6:30 and giving insulin at 7. I wasn't sure how that would suit ME during the winter, but I found it worked fine; last winter was my first, using that timing. HOWEVER!

That meant, come spring, really liking that time, I needed to adjust times "to beat the clock" when we changed to Daylight time from Standard Time.

So, last spring, I set my Calendarscope program to change over a period of 12 days, by 5 minutes a day, thinking the gradual change would be easiest on the dogs.

I stuck to it. Maybe it was easiest on the dogs. But for me, it was the most INCREDIBLE ANNOYANCE, even with the help of the Calendarscope program!

So, I thought, this fall, maybe I can avoid some of the annoyance, yet still make the change gradual enough to suit Kwali and Kumbi. The dogs have become accustomed to my feeding within a minute or two of the appointed time, so their BodyBrains are adjusted to EXPECT to be fed then. And in turn, Kumbi probably uses his insulin best when his body EXPECTS it at 7.

Well, I'm in the middle of the switch, but this time, unable to face the five-minutes-a-day change, I'm changing this way:

Three days delaying by 15 minutes; then three days delaying by half an hour, then three days delaying by forty-five minutes, and finally, feeding a whole hour late (just before the actual time change on the clocks), so by the time I have to set clocks and watches, I won't have to fuss about feeding and giving insulin, nor do anything strange with my Calendarscope program.

And STILL, I'm finding this VERY ANNOYING! I wonder if next spring, I'll just change all at once. I think that would work okay in the spring - I'd be feeding a whole hour EARLY. In the fall, though, I think my dogs would have an awful time, waiting a whole HOUR for their breakfast, and worse, a whole HOUR for their supper!

How do you all deal with this?

We Hope
10-24-2008, 08:45 PM
Carol,

What I always did was to "ignore" the time change temporarily and focus on the every 12 hours for food and insulin.

I kept one clock set to the "old" time and went by it for when the 12 hours were up. When I was on the 12 hours totally on "new" time, I set the clock I'd kept on the "old" time to the "new" time.

No matter if we were losing or gaining an hour with the clocks, I kept to the 12 hour schedule like that.

Might not work for everyone, but it worked for us without problems.

Kathy

Denise
10-25-2008, 05:45 AM
I used to start adjusting the time of meals by 15 minutes a day for 4 days prior to the time change but after 3 years or so of that I just ignored it. I think I had to find out for myself that it wasn't as big a deal as I thought it might be. If they bugged me that they knew it was meal time I might go ahead and feed a little early but I really think I had more problems when I tried to make the switch gradually.


Denise

CarolW
10-25-2008, 06:53 AM
Carol,

What I always did was to "ignore" the time change temporarily and focus on the every 12 hours for food and insulin.

I kept one clock set to the "old" time and went by it for when the 12 hours were up. When I was on the 12 hours totally on "new" time, I set the clock I'd kept on the "old" time to the "new" time.

No matter if we were losing or gaining an hour with the clocks, I kept to the 12 hour schedule like that.

Might not work for everyone, but it worked for us without problems.

Kathy

Kathy, I like the sound of that! It's slightly awkward with a computer, allowing a computer-program to tell you when to do what, as I do - in fact, I lean on it very heavily!

But gosh; I should be able to set the program to match what any clock tells me!

When you say, temporarily, what do you mean? One time, I was able to make no change at all, and that was when I'd decided to change the time I fed by one hour, in the same direction as the time-change, so to speak. At that time, I considered never ever changing that 12-hour interval between meals for the dogs, which might have resulted in my feeding at 6:30 in the winter, and 7:30 in the summer.

But, related to household and neighborhood events and stimuli, I found feeding as late as 7:30 in the evening rather awkward - a bit hard on the dogs. Rats! so far, the feeding at 6:30, summer and winter, following the human-clock-change, seems to suit them best.

(I also learned that being retired and able to manage my own time does have SOME limitations; as I do live in a community, in which I have, in the past, been very active, and humans affect my schedules; haha!)

Anyway, if your old-clock / new-clock is temporary, what do you do before setting the old-clock-time to match the new-clock-time? Are you sort of fudging, so the times on the two clocks ger "nearer" to each other, or do you go for the entire time till the next time-change, and just go by the appropriate clock? I didn't understand that very well.

I think that 12-hour interval is a wonderful approach, no matter how you manage it!

CarolW
10-25-2008, 07:15 AM
I used to start adjusting the time of meals by 15 minutes a day for 4 days prior to the time change but after 3 years or so of that I just ignored it. I think I had to find out for myself that it wasn't as big a deal as I thought it might be. If they bugged me that they knew it was meal time I might go ahead and feed a little early but I really think I had more problems when I tried to make the switch gradually.


Denise

Oh, Denise; I'm fascinated with your approach. I've admired you before, having so incredibly many animals, all the while taking such great care of them. I think that may make a considerable difference to adjusting schedules!

I have only the two dogs (and sometimes find even that a handful; depends on whether one or both are sick).

From the standpoint of diabetes and regulation, if nothing else is involved, I'd think just making the change in the one day, the same way we humans do, would work perfectly well, as the dogs' bodies would shortly adapt, same as we humans do (kind of perforce!).

Probably the reason I change the way I do is that in one sense, I'm kind of a scheduling-nut - and that probably arises out of my anxiety that, having a tendency to absent-mindedness, I'll forget something pretty important! (And that's why I use a Calendar program, too.)

Possibly, next spring, I'll be tempted not to change anything at all, but just to continue feeding 12 hours apart, and maybe I'll try that, resulting in a rather late summer-time evening-feeding from MY point of view, but getting rid of all the fiddling, and the annoyance for me, of keeping track of this stuff!

Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:13:27

We Hope
10-25-2008, 07:28 AM
Carol,

Most of us set our clocks ahead or back before going to bed the night before. The change--forward or back--is said to go into effect at 2 AM, your local time. So when you're going ahead, 2 AM becomes 3 AM and when going back, 2 AM becomes 1 AM.

I just didn't set one of the clocks before going to bed, so while I had everything else going on on "new time", Lucky's breakfast and morning shot did not. That happened 12 hours after his dinner and shot did--on "old time".

By dinner and shot which was set to be 12 hours after breakfast and shot, I was able to set the clock I'd "held back" to present time, since I no longer had a foot in both "camps". :)

If I wanted to change things a bit after that, I'd do it with some 15 minute moves--earlier or later depending on the circumstances, but it got us from one time to the other without a lot of hair-splitting. :eek:

Kathy

eyelostit
10-27-2008, 02:46 AM
Is it still DST or am I losing it !! I have not paid attention, maybe not usually the computer tells me it reset something:D

CarolW
10-27-2008, 04:53 AM
Is it still DST or am I losing it !! I have not paid attention, maybe not usually the computer tells me it reset something:D

Should still be DST. I'll start a new thread in Everything Else and try to give you a steer or two!

Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:53:17.

eyelostit
10-28-2008, 08:29 PM
lol, sometimes I am in a world of my own :)

bowens2
10-28-2008, 08:36 PM
That is the nice thing about Monk being on Lantus. Seems I have a two hour margin either way. I can give him his shot at 8:30 and 6:30 or 8:30 and 10:30 or 8:30 and 8:30 and it does not seem to make a difference.