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Riliey and Mo 07-06-2013 09:15 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
the lows might be because Vinnie is " honeymooning ".
his beta cells maybe still be producing insulin

my thinking is a 100 pound dog should get 25 iu of insulin. ( .25 100 = 25)

since his 19 units needed to drop to 18 iu. might be a honeymoon sign

this would also cause both meters to be off

Try using just the alphatrack to relieve your headache and calibrate it with vets next time.

when the beta cells stop producing insulin his blood glucose will rise then his insulin needs to be adjusted.

also to find out for sure if Vinnie, s beta cells are still producing insulin, the vet can do a c-peptide test to tell how much insulin he is producing on his own.

hope this helps

mo

Monsters Momma 07-06-2013 09:59 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jesse girl (Post 109754)

most comparisons with most meters i have seen are not this off in a lower range . like to see a comparisons below a 100

Just had John test him, so that Vinny wouldn't think I was the only one sticking him! :(

Prime...61
AT2...90

I'm going to compare to the vet when I can next week.

So, we gave him 18 units last night and this morning...should I lower it again? :confused:

Mel

jesse girl 07-06-2013 10:25 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
you really want to get those numbers above a 100 so i would continue to reduce

down the road you maybe able to get regulation like this and keep him safe but for now your just to new to this

many would say this is great and it is just to good to soon

i would continue to reduce till you see those numbers come up above a 100 you could do it slowly by 1 unit just because he doesn't have any big fluctuations from low to high and you know the low point and your testing your kind of doing regulation in reverse which many of us have done .

the way your going you may have this sorted in a couple weeks which is really good it took us 6 months just to get a breath of air with jesse

this is the time you put in the most effort into regulation its well worth it

CraigM 07-06-2013 10:28 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 109759)
Just had John test him, so that Vinny wouldn't think I was the only one sticking him! :(

Prime...61
AT2...90

I'm going to compare to the vet when I can next week.

So, we gave him 18 units last night and this morning...should I lower it again? :confused:

Mel

Yea! That's pretty much exactly the spread I normally see.
61 divided by 90 = .67. I've been using .66 for the past month, but sometimes varies some, but is usually between .62 and .72ish.

Yep, looks like another reduction is needed until the AT2 doesn't drop below 100ish. 90 is a great number, but you probably need more buffer space until you get more data.

Great work!

Craig

SandyL 07-06-2013 03:04 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 109759)
Just had John test him, so that Vinny wouldn't think I was the only one sticking him! :(

Prime...61
AT2...90

I'm going to compare to the vet when I can next week.

So, we gave him 18 units last night and this morning...should I lower it again? :confused:

Mel

I would still go to 16u and hold steady for 3-5 days to let that dose settle in.
Patience is really a virtue with this disease and if he runs a little higher while you methodiclly come to the desired dose, so be it, they do just fine at that higher number
Like jessegirl said, this is still fairly new for you guys and you really don't know Vinnies trends. Why chance it???

Emily 07-07-2013 05:09 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I've found that slow and steady wins the race with this disease. I made too many changes early on because I was so distressed and nervous and just wanted Elliot to be well. It just made the whole process of regulation take even longer (still making tweaks). Plus...higher numbers are safer than numbers that are too low.

Sounds like you guys are on the right track! Keep up the great work :)

Monsters Momma 07-08-2013 03:48 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Vinny seems to be doing well on 17 units 2x a day. His morning numbers have both been 178 and 175 after fasting all night. Yesterday he did seem to have much more energy for his younger brother and just in general...that's good to see! We did spot check him during the day and he was in the 100's so I think we're on the right road. :)

I won't be able to do a curve until Friday since I'm working all week. I'm also going to take Vinny into the vet and get my AT2 tested with theirs.

The problem I'm having now is Vinny is now getting gun shy. He knows I'm going to test him or I'm going to give him a shot and he takes off for another part of the house! :( I thought this would happen quicker, but I knew it would happen...he really should have feathers! :rolleyes: I have to remember to have the 'treat' out before he'll venture into the kitchen...or I go where he is. So, any ideas here? :confused:

I know I read something on canned green beans vs frozen and another post about some Newman treats that were ok to give, but I'm having trouble finding them. I thought I saw that the frozen kind had to be cooked? And John bought some Newman treats, but they have molasses in them. I looked online and all of them do. I think I'm remembering that post wrong. :( Wouldn't surprise me.

Anyway, I hope everyone has a good week! Thanks for all the help this weekend!
Mel

amydunn19 07-08-2013 05:08 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Mel,

I use freeze dried buffalo bites from Bravo. I would think any type of freeze dried meat might be fine.

Amy D

peggy0 07-08-2013 05:29 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Forbin loved Hebrew national fat free hot dog bites lol. He would do anything for a bite of one of those. I'd cut each hot dog up into little bites. He'd stand in front of the fridge and stomp his paw if I didn't get them fast enough lol. Great numbers !, you are doing great

Judi 07-08-2013 05:57 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I cut up freeze dried liver treats from Petco or Petsmart but I know Barb used to use boiled chicken.

for a lot of our dogs, protein alone doesn't seem to affect their blood sugar

For Jenny's shot only she get Duck Jerky that Sandy L told me about. She hates her shot but loves the jerky so she will actually come to me if I say it's time to get her shot for her jerky.

and at one point she was trying to bite us she hated her shot so much

Eddie 07-08-2013 06:45 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Glad things seem to be on track for you.

We use dried liver treats also. Eddie will nag me to do his test so that he gets his treat as he loves them so much!
I think with quite big dogs they are unlikely to be very sensitive to a modest sized treat of almost any description so I would be inclined to stick to whatever he finds the tastiest. It is a huge benefit to have a co-operative dog for testing!
Antonia

Monsters Momma 07-08-2013 07:12 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Funny thing, Vinny will eat anything that isn't rice! We found out the rice thing when he had to go on a bland diet some time ago and the vet recommended cooked rice. Nope, Vinny would just walk away! ;)

This weekend I was making pasta salad and both dogs wanted peppers, zucchini, whatever we were chopping up! Oh and now our younger boy Bogey, won't eat his food without whatever veggie Vinny is getting with his! :rolleyes:

I found the post I was looking for on green beans...now to find the one on the Newman treats. :)

peggy0 07-08-2013 09:12 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
http://www.newmansownorganics.com/pe...php#dog_treats

I gave forbin newmans treats. Here's a link to the nutrition/ingredients

Monsters Momma 07-09-2013 06:54 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SandyL (Post 109664)
Tight regulation is a great thing IF you're always going to be home with him... Such as catching the lows. I for one work full time and both my dogs go in and out as they please. Which means barking and running the fence with the mailman, ups guy, squirrels etc. and you know what all that can do to a bg!!

Sandy

I got to thinking about this today and I realized that I really don't know what all of that does to BG! :confused: My husband and I both work full-time and we're fortunate that our daughter is at home right now, but she won't be starting next week. Vinny will be free to bark at whatever moves outside, including deliveries. And since he has been feeling better, he has been wanting to play with Bogey more, generally rough housing and chasing each other around the yard. What does this do to the BG? I don't want to stop him from being a dog and enjoying life.

Judi 07-09-2013 07:09 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
every dog is different. Additional exercise/activity has different effects depending on where they are in their insulin cycle.

Most of the time additional exercise lowers their blood sugar. That is why Sandy runs Tiggy a little high.

If it is getting towards the end of their 12 hours where they are running out of insulin, exercise can raise their blood sugar. I haven't seen that as often but it happens.

Jessegirl found a pet food/treat dispenser that you can set to go off at a certain time. Hers pops up mid-day I think and Jesse gets a treat even though her mom is at work.

That is why curves during their normal routine at home help.

When my husband is home with my dogs all day Jenny gets a lot more exercise so she needs less insulin or she would drop too low.

I'm not too good at explaining this. I hope it helps a little!

jesse girl 07-09-2013 07:51 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
what you like to do is get some test before and after running around and see how he reacts different times is good to

once again more information is better

your dog may balance insulin and exercise very well and from your post it appears to be that way but we dont want to be complacent

as judi suggested we have an automatic dog feeder for jesse to get a mid morning snack when i am not home and i also do it when i am home just to keep the routine

maladuca 07-09-2013 08:27 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
What did you find out about the green beans? I bought a can of low sodium, rinsed them and froze them. I noticed the can said 1 g of sugar. Today I bought frozen beans and when I got home I noticed it has 2 g of sugar. Did you find out if they need to be cooked first and then refrozen?

I'm also going to boil some chicken and freeze in smaller packets. Should be a good treat for BG testing time.

Abby's Mom 07-09-2013 09:14 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Abby use to be a treat-aholic (well, how about she still it), so trying to find something that will not raise, was an trial, and keep a relatively happy dog.

I get thin slices of chicken breast, and individually wrap them and freeze them. When I need one, I boil it, and then baggie it and place it in the fridge. I give these out, when people come over, when I need to coax her, when I test her, and I don't want to raise her levels at all. It sounds frequent, but I really give small amounts, amount the size of a 1/2 dime.

I give her about 1/2 Blue Buffalo Healthy bars (bacon and cheese do not have any molasses), during shot time(it takes a while to crunch through those), and lately I give 2 Nutro peanut butter treats, with some honey on it, right before a walk. These only have 8 calories each. I had found she would run out of insulin too early, because she would go way to low during our walk.

So you can see, quite a few treats for a small spoiled doggie. ;)

Barb

SandyL 07-09-2013 09:17 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 109891)
I got to thinking about this today and I realized that I really don't know what all of that does to BG! :confused: My husband and I both work full-time and we're fortunate that our daughter is at home right now, but she won't be starting next week. Vinny will be free to bark at whatever moves outside, including deliveries. And since he has been feeling better, he has been wanting to play with Bogey more, generally rough housing and chasing each other around the yard. What does this do to the BG? I don't want to stop him from being a dog and enjoying life.

That's why at the beginning I would test after EVERY thing! I knew Tiggys nadir would happen when she would be alone during the day and I didn't want to worry constantly. I didn't want to confine both dogs th the house during the day, they would have been miserable!!

For instance, the mailman, with the barking and running outside will lower Tiggy a good 20-40 pts..... If the gardener comes at the same time or after, that could be 50 pts lower. Now if I had her running at a tight regulation of 80-150 she would definitely be in trouble! It's hard to contain her big dog instincts! Lol so she definitely gets excited over everything!!!!!
Now on the other hand, she likes to sunbathe in our 100 degree temps :rolleyes: that's ALWAYS a crap shoot because sometimes that will raise her and other times, for no reason, it will lower her :confused:

An auto feeder would definitely not work for a snack because our other dog Heidi would feel she hit the jackpot and take advantage of the treats!!

That's why I get nervous when people who work try to run such tight regulation:o. I keep Tiggy between 150-250 and its worked great for us. She's healthy, regulated, gets snacks, runs and plays with Heidi, and does what a dog is supposed to do..... Enjoy life!!!

Sandy

momofdecker 07-09-2013 09:18 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
If you find that Vinny may need a mid-day snack, I have an auto feeder that I'd be happy to send your way. It's just hanging out in my garage. We bought it several months into Decker's diagnosis in hopes of it helping level out his bg. Only used it for maybe a week. The machine worked well but his bg was too unpredictable at the time to use it for what we'd hoped for. He loved it! Though Decker was not the overall alpha dog in the house, he was much faster and more pushy when it came to food so we never had any worries it would be Kinser getting the snack vs. Decker.

Here is a picture of something similar to what we have - not exact as I can't remember off hand what the make/model of what we have is.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Automatic-Pe...-/290942719479

Monsters Momma 07-09-2013 09:57 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maladuca (Post 109894)
What did you find out about the green beans? I bought a can of low sodium, rinsed them and froze them. I noticed the can said 1 g of sugar. Today I bought frozen beans and when I got home I noticed it has 2 g of sugar. Did you find out if they need to be cooked first and then refrozen?

I'm also going to boil some chicken and freeze in smaller packets. Should be a good treat for BG testing time.

http://www.k9diabetes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4978

Here is the link to the discussion on veggies and green beans. I have tried both with Vinny and I don't know if he's just hungry or thinks he's getting new treats, but he's liking it all! The green beans I've bought frozen just say 'green beans' though...not sure what the sugar would be. Since Dawn said that the frozen veggies are already blanched, I have not cooked them...although Vinny does like them thawed too. ;) Like I said, he'll eat anything right now! :D

I'm going to boil some eggs and some chicken as well. I need to find something for just treats when he's being tested!

Good luck Margaret!

Monsters Momma 07-09-2013 10:09 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by momofdecker (Post 109898)
If you find that Vinny may need a mid-day snack, I have an auto feeder that I'd be happy to send your way. It's just hanging out in my garage. We bought it several months into Decker's diagnosis in hopes of it helping level out his bg. Only used it for maybe a week. The machine worked well but his bg was too unpredictable at the time to use it for what we'd hoped for. He loved it! Though Decker was not the overall alpha dog in the house, he was much faster and more pushy when it came to food so we never had any worries it would be Kinser getting the snack vs. Decker.

Here is a picture of something similar to what we have - not exact as I can't remember off hand what the make/model of what we have is.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Automatic-Pe...-/290942719479

Holli...thanks so much for the offer, but I'm afraid my chicken in dog clothes wouldn't go near it...not even for food! :rolleyes: It would make one sound and he would beat the hell out of there! LOL We used to have a water dish with the big jug on top and when that would bubble, you'd think someone had yelled 'fire'! The other dogs had no problem with it!

jesse girl, Judi, Barb and Sandy...I can see a lot of testing in my future weekend! ;) That's ok...at least we'll get a good feel for everything! We will never be able to 'tightly regulate' Vinny, so my assumption is that I'll be adopting Sandy style of dealing with this thing called diabetes. :cool:

peggy0 07-09-2013 05:01 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Lots of great tips for all. I will tell you that Forbin was a black lab mix and sun lowered his BG so be careful and determine the length of time to be outside in heat. It may not impact him at all but better safe than sorry

Monsters Momma 07-10-2013 09:50 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
My daughter just called to tell me that Vinny had just thrown up. I asked if it was just water since he was fed at 6AM and it's 12:45, but she said it was food. So, either he's gotten into something or he's not digesting his food.

I told her to watch him and I'd call I 15 min. to check. I'm wondering if I need to run home and test him real quick to make sure he isn't too low (or high). Thoughts?

CraigM 07-10-2013 10:02 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I would think 6+ hours would digest most of the food, but you could have your daughter give him a small snack.

Craig

Monsters Momma 07-10-2013 10:10 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Small snack as in green beans (fiber) or as in some kibbles?
Thanks!

momofdecker 07-10-2013 10:16 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Is Vinny prone to vomiting?

I'd tend to err on the side of caution and go home to test. Did she say if the food was digested or not? It may be worth giving some time before another feeding, even a small snack. Unless, of course, there is a need to get his bg raised. If that is the case I'd look to giving some white rice or something bland. Being home to test may also give you the opportunity to evaluate his overall behavior so you can better determine what to do come dinner time. Hope his tummy settles soon. Glad your daughter was there for him and you :)!

Monsters Momma 07-10-2013 10:25 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by momofdecker (Post 109975)
Is Vinny prone to vomiting?

Yes.

Ever since he was a pup, if he drinks too much water too quickly or drinks a lot then gets playing, he vomits. That dog has vomited more than any of our other animals...all put together! :p

This dog will also eat anything, absolutely anything, except rice. :rolleyes: I don't care how hungry he is, he will not touch it!

CraigM 07-10-2013 10:38 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Sorry for being late to answer. I was thinking a snack of normal dog food, or doggie treat, something that would raise his BGs.

Craig

CraigM 07-10-2013 10:45 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Looks like I may have been wrong about how long it takes a dog to digest:
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5162842...od.html#page=0

Craig

momofdecker 07-10-2013 10:46 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
In knowing he's prone to vomiting, a small snack may work. But I'd go with something more carby - to hold him over if his bg is a bit low.

Monsters Momma 07-10-2013 04:35 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Well I ended up going home and testing Vinny...168. Pretty good for vomiting! :p He really didn't want anything this afternoon, but he ate tonight and seems to be fine.

Thanks so much for your input!
Mel

CraigM 07-10-2013 04:54 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 109999)
Well I ended up going home and testing Vinny...168. Pretty good for vomiting! :p He really didn't want anything this afternoon, but he ate tonight and seems to be fine.

Thanks so much for your input!
Mel

:D Now if you could only have him vomit everyday around noon!:D

Craig

momofdecker 07-11-2013 03:40 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Glad Vinny is ok and feeling better.

Your comment about him being a chicken dressed in dogs clothes cracks me right up. He's a handsome boy!

Monsters Momma 07-11-2013 06:55 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by momofdecker (Post 110019)
Glad Vinny is ok and feeling better.

Your comment about him being a chicken dressed in dogs clothes cracks me right up. He's a handsome boy!

I keep threatening to buy him a chicken costume for Halloween, but haven't found one big enough! I think that would be hilarious! :D

Monsters Momma 07-12-2013 05:49 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I decided to do a curve today so the two tests I've done so far have been...
6 am 199 (before food and insulin)
8 am 190
I'm a little surprised they aren't farther apart. I'm interested in seeing what he is at 10.

Eddie 07-12-2013 06:40 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Flat is good! I would have expected to see a bit of a food rise but then what do I know... Interesting to see how he goes for the rest of the day.

Antonia

Monsters Momma 07-12-2013 07:10 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 110102)
I decided to do a curve today so the two tests I've done so far have been...
6 am 199 (before food and insulin)
8 am 190
I'm a little surprised they aren't farther apart. I'm interested in seeing what he is at 10.

.
At 10 am 199 AT2 and 107 Prime (There was enough blood for both and my daughter helped! ;) )

So, high 100's? Is that ok?

Judi 07-12-2013 07:40 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
that is pretty perfect to me.

Jenny never used to "curve" much either. Flat is good

and congrats on the testing! you multiple meter people! :)

SandyL 07-12-2013 07:40 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 110107)
.
At 10 am 199 AT2 and 107 Prime (There was enough blood for both and my daughter helped! ;) )

So, high 100's? Is that ok?

High 100's is fine... Especially with a nice flat curve like that. And who knows, he may still go lower for you today

Sandy


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