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Monsters Momma 06-29-2013 02:40 PM

Our sweet Vinny is an angel, July 27, 2018
 
I thought I should introduce us since I've already started asking questions...mostly in my head, but some online! ;)

I'm Mel and Vinny is the first lab we ever rescued. That was not quite 7 years ago when I had no time for a puppy in my life...my Mom was dying and even after she did, I didn't have the patience for this pup my husband and daughter had talked me into. I called him Monster from the first pair of shoes he chewed up to the table to the deck...you get the idea. I was told so often that lab's took some time to grow up...I needed time too.

I read Marley and Me on an airplane...geez, you'd think there would be some kind of warning on books like that. "Don't read in crowded places unless you want to become a sniveling fool in front of total strangers." :( Yea, reading that book made me realize what a total jerk I had been to a puppy/now dog that had no idea why I was mad at it...I was mad I lost my Mom, not at Monster (by now, all of us were calling him that ;)). So, Monster/Vinny and I developed a new relationship. He is definitely 'Daddy's Dog', but when he wants something, it's me he comes to!

Fast forward to last week...Vinny could not get enough water. He has always gone through a lot of water, but last week was different. Then he either woke me up in the middle of the night or had an accident! Unheard of since he was a pup. We were going away last weekend and boarding the dogs, so I decided he needed to see our vet first...just to make sure. John took him on Friday the 21st and was told...diabetes. :eek: Vinny was taken off his food and dog treats, everything, and put on a Rx food until Tuesday when he would have another blood test. Tuesday, our vet gave John Vetsulin and a bunch of syringes and now we're supposed to take Vinny back on the 3rd.

John doesn't ask a lot of questions...that's where I come in. I tend to be on the research side of our marriage when it comes to things like this. Unfortunately, the more I find out about this, the more I know I don't know. I've seen other's write about how overwhelming it is and boy are they right. Sometimes you don't what questions to ask...but lets start with...

Treats? What and when? The vet took Vinny off everything but the food and he acts like he's starving!
Vetsulin? I've read that it was taken off the market...what were the reasons and why is it ok now?
Food? I appreciate the fact that no one should say anything negative about someone's choices, but John didn't feel he had a choice. Since I've been reading your forum, it appears that is not the case.
Exercise? Our younger dog wants nothing more than to play with Vinny. Good, bad or doesn't matter? I'm thinking doesn't matter, but what if it involves chasing each other around our back yard?

I guess I've hit the biggest questions right now...unless you can think of something I should have asked! :confused:

Thanks, Mel

jesse girl 06-29-2013 03:43 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
hi and welcome to both of you

sounds like you are moving in a positive direction to this challenge .

it really is amazing how each individual dog parent finds a direction to get there pup to a better place and you will to.

yes vetsulin is back and more than likely for most vets it may become the standard insulin for dogs as it was in the past . i think in the past they had some consistency problems and there was some complaints but i believe the problem was not the insulin itself but the individual dog and how they responded to it .

you would see this with all insulin's used for dogs where a percentage of them are problematic whether its a reaction to the insulin added challenges outside of diabetes hard to say .

most of the dogs in the states who were diagnosed before the last few months are on nph insulin a humane insulin not really designed for dogs but many have had good success .

it is a big change food treats routine and exercise will have to be changed. a new normal begins they can have a happy healthy enjoyable lives with longevity . for us being more proactive is how we approached jesse diabetes getting a meter in the first week and started home testing immediately best thing we did to keep her safe .

exercise can have a big impact on blood sugar with insulin being active it can drop quite a bit for some dogs and rise quite a bit with insulin fading . spontaneous exercise can be a problem but its hard to prevent a dog from being a dog but you might want to not let it occur for extended periods of time it . if you decide to home test you will be able to see what your pup can and cant do

it appears schedule and structure is important for the body to adapt to the new reality the thing about this in general dogs enjoy structure they are most happy in this state because they know what to expect . in a funny way diabetes was good for jesse she enjoys the structure which she did not have before

CraigM 06-29-2013 03:53 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 109279)
Sometimes you don't what questions to ask...but lets start with...

Treats? What and when? The vet took Vinny off everything but the food and he acts like he's starving!
Vetsulin? I've read that it was taken off the market...what were the reasons and why is it ok now?
Food? I appreciate the fact that no one should say anything negative about someone's choices, but John didn't feel he had a choice. Since I've been reading your forum, it appears that is not the case.
Exercise? Our younger dog wants nothing more than to play with Vinny. Good, bad or doesn't matter? I'm thinking doesn't matter, but what if it involves chasing each other around our back yard?

I guess I've hit the biggest questions right now...unless you can think of something I should have asked! :confused:

Thanks, Mel

Welcome to the forum! Nice introduction:)

I'm going to talk about your questions out of order.

Food: 1) has to be something Vinny will eat. Because insulin & food work together you will have a hard time if he refuses to eat. 2) Diabetic formulas often work well, but many dogs don't like the taste, see number 1 above. 3) Some diabetic formulas require LARGE portions because they are very high in fiber (fiber is good), but the meals may be too much for some pups to finish. See number 1 above. Which of the foods are you feeding, and is Vinny eating the entire meal at one "go"?

Insulin: Yes, Vetsulin had been removed from sale in the U.S., but it remained for sale in the rest of the world under the name Caninsulin. Many dogs did well on Vetsulin and didn't have any problems. I don't really recall the official reason it was withdrawn, but it seems to have passed the required tests to get back on the market. The only problem I have (I'm no expert, just a Dad to a diabetic pup) with Vetsulin is the cost. It seems many vet clinics are selling Vetsulin for around $60 for a vial that contains 400 units of insulin. Many of us are using a human insulin (Novolin-N) from Walmart for $25 for 1000 units of insulin. Just using 10 units per injection as an example (20 units per day): the 400 unit vial of Vetsulin would last 20 days, whereas the 1000 unit vial of Novolin-N would last 50 days. So in this example, the pup would require 2 vials of Vetsulin (about $120) to last about as long as one $25 vial of Novolin-N. Of course price isn't everything. If I knew my Annie would do better on Vetsulin I'd switch back, but Annie is doing well on Novolin-N so we will stay with Novolin-N. If cost is a problem, you might mention this to your vet next appointment. Hard decision;)

Hard to tell about exercise and treats without home blood testing. Every dog is different and some might get a big drop from an easy walk, while others might be able to go for a longer run without trouble. Same with treats, some will get a huge glucose spike from a Milkbone, others not so much.. Please consider home blood testing.

How much does Vinny weigh? What is he eating? What insulin dosage is he using?

Craig

amydunn19 06-29-2013 04:10 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
From what my vet explained, the problem with vetsulin when they removed it was the crystalline zinc insulin component was not level making it unpredictable and unreliable. Then, there was a problem with sterility.

Monsters Momma 06-30-2013 04:11 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Thanks for the responses! I am definitely thinking we need to start home testing. Between food and exercise...and the laying around he does, I just think it would be good. I think I read on another thread that I can get a BG tester at Walmart. I'll have to look for that again! And look for those video's I saw...I wouldn't know where to begin on all of this if it wasn't for this forum!

Vinny is 100 lbs, but not overweight...just a big lab. He probably has a mix in him, we've just never been able to tell what if anything. We are feeding him Iam's Rx for diabetes ($37 a bag!) at just under 2 cups 2x a day. He eats it all in what seems like one gulp. This is less food than what we were giving him before by about a cup (not that we measured it) and he would get dog treats throughout the day. I really think we need to give him a snack at mid-day. Vinny is always looking for something to eat, or sneaking our food if he can; he just has never shown this much interest in food! Vinny got into some pizza that my daughter left on the counter and I freaked! I called the emergency vet clinic to see if I needed to do anything. Just a week ago, he would have been scolded...no wait, he probably wouldn't have gotten into it.

I'll be taking Vinny to his next appointment...I have too many questions not to.

Thanks again!

Soaphie & Sydney's Mom 06-30-2013 04:23 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I have found vetsulin online now for approx $35/bottle. I haven't had to purchase since it came back on the market as I had a big supply stocked up.

CraigM 06-30-2013 08:26 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 109299)
Thanks for the responses! I am definitely thinking we need to start home testing. Between food and exercise...and the laying around he does, I just think it would be good. I think I read on another thread that I can get a BG tester at Walmart. I'll have to look for that again! And look for those video's I saw...I wouldn't know where to begin on all of this if it wasn't for this forum!

I just finished writing a post on another thread and thought I'd just copy it here since you both were asking the same general questions about home testing.:D



I'm one of the few who test on the ear, a few others test elsewhere on the body. I think if you Google "diabetic dog blood testing: you might come up with a few videos. Here is a link to the AlphaTrak2 meter with lots of good info and videos. Keep in mind they are trying to sell their meter, but the general info is still valid:
http://www.alphatrakmeter.com/index.html

I generally use the Walmart Prime http://www.relion.com/diabetes/blood...g/relion-prime for routine testing because of the low cost test strips. The Relion Confirm meter is lower cost, but the test strips are more expensive. Just keep in mind that your readings are going to be lower than true because these were designed for human blood which is different than dog blood. Even though human meters generally read lower than true, you will still see "trends", and how your pup reacts to exercise, food, stress, etc. I think the Prime is a good starter meter, you can always add another meter later, like possibly the AlphaTrak2.

In addition to the meter and test strips you will only need lancets. Many think the 30-33 gauge are too thin and it might be difficult to get a blood droplet from the pup. My Walmart does sell 26 gauge lancets http://www.relion.com/diabetes/lancets Lancets are pretty inexpensive, so if your Walmart doesn't stock them, you probably would find them elsewhere.

A lancet tool (clicker) isn't necessary. I went years just holding the plain lancet in my fingers and poking! I tried the lancing tool that came with one of my meters and have been using it for awhile now, but it isn't required. In fact, I think I got a better (bigger) blood droplet without the tool. There are several styles of lancets / tools, most are interchangeable http://www.relion.com/diabetes/lancet-compatibility/ I would read the fine print on the box, or ask the pharmacist.

Craig

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Patty 06-30-2013 02:43 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
What was Vinny eating prior to diagnosis?
Will the vet be doing a full curve at the next appointment (where blood sugar is measure before food/shot time then every 2 hours after until next shot time)?

Welcome to you!
Patty

Monsters Momma 07-01-2013 03:11 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Patty, Vinny was eating Purina One Beyond...Bogey, our younger dog is still eating this. Don't think that isn't causing any confusion! :( Vinny is supposed to be tested at the midpoint between feedings/shots, no curve has been mentioned to my knowledge...I will be asking! In the meantime, I'll be getting a meter today and using jesse girl's ideas from another thread to get him used to it. By the next weekend, I want to be able to do my own curve just to see where he is.

My biggest worry right now is food...as I suppose some of you have guessed! ;) Being the stupid humans we are and the resourceful dog Vinny has become, he keeps getting into things he never would have before. Helping himself to food on the counter or in the pantry (dog food kept in here), cleaning out the cat food (behind two gates) or tearing open a bag of cat food (left alone for 15 minutes!), and getting into the trash. We really do have to change the way we do things around here and each time we 'fix' one thing, he gets into another! :eek: I know this has to be bad for him, but I guess I really don't know how bad; or better yet, what it can cause?

I'll be calling the vet today about snacks we can give him...instead of the pizza and chicken bones he's been helping himself to.

Thanks everyone for the welcome and input!

maladuca 07-01-2013 05:55 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Mel ~ please keep us posted how you progress with the home testing. I will attempt this as well this week and am quite anxious about it. What monitor will you be purchasing?
Good luck!!

Margaret

Monsters Momma 07-01-2013 06:13 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Margaret, I think, after reading a lot of Craig's posts, that I will just get a 'starter' Relion Prime from Walmart. I would like to look, touch, hold others before making another choice, but feel I need one right now. It's the researcher in me that makes me want to take some time to decide on another meter. ;)

Which one are you thinking of?
Mel

momofdecker 07-01-2013 06:24 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Belated welcome to you and your monster Vinny. I love it! We never really knew what my boy was mixed with but when people asked, 'part monster' was often part of my answer.

He too had a knack for finding food that he was not suppose to eat. Both the husband & I work full time away from the house so curve days were always on a weekend day. And he was known for finding a way to sneak something in the midst of his curves early on. We had two cats and kept their food/litter box in the basement. Even when Decker lost his vision he found his way down there. Kept thinking it was someone leaving the door open but found out the door did not always latch when it shut. He'd stick his head through the cat door and if not latched, the basement door would open and he'd go help himself to both fresh and recycled snacks. Yummy - Not!

For the most part he was good about not begging or counter surfing, but when he was put on prednisone due to spinal compression, he got the hunger side effect and we found him (blindly) jumping up to try to help himself to a plate of chicken. The compression made walking challenging for him, yet he still had a strong enough will to jump up for a plate of chicken snackies. Funny thing was that the chicken was for him, just not the entire plate at once. He loved food and would eat just about anything. So we did offer various veggies as snacks. Frozen broccoli, peas, green beans, sometimes grape tomatoes. He was on a lot of meds and would get many of them with a dab of peanut butter. He went through so much he had his very own jar of pb. We did boil boneless/skinless chicken and shredded it. The intent was to add 1/4 to his food but we did save some and gave that as a small snack now and then too. Hard boiled eggs, minus the yolk, were another thing we used as snacks.

I will say that we were pretty strict when he was in the regulation process and didn't often give snacks. As his spinal compression progressed and we knew his time with us was limited we eased up and spoiled him with small bits of 'forbidden snacks' on many occasions. The veggies, chicken, pb and egg often didn't cause a raise in bg, however, every dog is different and testing is the best way to find out what works for your pup. Potato chips and raw hide bones were Decker's true loves. More often than not they did cause a rise. LOL!

Wishing you the best in this new journey!

Monsters Momma 07-01-2013 07:20 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Thanks so much for the welcome Holli! Decker sounds a lot like our Vinny! Just when Vinny had become 'Vinny' and not 'Monster', he's back to Monster lately! LOL

I have called the vet and am waiting on a return call. Hopefully they will have some answers before our scheduled visit on Wednesday! He is really driving everyone crazy! I appreciate your suggestions and have been researching on my own...of course. ;) Being so new at this, I just hesitate to add anything without checking first with the vet.

I am sorry for your loss of Decker!

Eddie 07-01-2013 07:29 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Hi - just wanted to add my welcome to you and your Monster!

Our dog has had Caninsulin all along as we are in the UK and this seems to be the preferred one here. We get it on the internet as it is less than half the price our vet charges.
He weighs about 63lbs, is a lab cross and gets 13units of Caninsulin twice a day.
For treats we use very small pieces of "puffed jerky" which I think is dried liver or lung or just one or two nuggets of kibble, but Eddie does have a lot of food at mealtimes, due to a digestive disorder.
May be a silly question but is he actually getting enough of the new food? If it were me I might give him a mix of the old and the new or just increase the amount of the new food. Unless he needs to lose a lot of weight, this hunger is just another problem for you when you already have plenty to think about with the diabetes generally! Our vet said the important thing on food was to have something they will reliably eat and then match up the insulin to that. We didn't change Eddie's food on diagnosis (and it is not a "diabetic" food).
Antonia

maladuca 07-01-2013 07:40 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Mel ~ I am thinking I will also get the reliOn prime from Walmart. I will need to find the 26 lancets because I don't think they carry them at a Walmart close to me. I will ask at the Pharmacy. I'm nervous about the lip testing. I will try to do the handling slowly this week also but I may try the base of the tail as a start. Trial and error I guess.

Margaret

Monsters Momma 07-01-2013 08:20 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Eddie...I don't think he is getting enough food. We've replaced what we were giving him at mealtimes with less and no treats throughout the day. That sounds like less to me! I called the vet, but haven't heard back yet...I'll give them another 15 minutes, then I'll call back. I'm not afraid to be a pain in someone's backside! ;)

Margaret...I watched the video's linked here http://www.k9diabetes.com/bgtestvideos.html It doesn't seem so hard after watching all the different places...even the lip! I also read that they don't really have any feeling in their ear http://www.caninediabetes.org/pdorg/dog_ear_stick.htm, so that might be too bad.

I haven't mentioned that Vinny is just a chicken in dog's clothing, so where ever I do this, it will have to be quick and painless...and anxiety-free! He really should have feathers!

Mel

Eddie 07-01-2013 09:34 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I have found that in the end we know our dog a lot better than the vet (obviously!) and although I always let the vet know what I am doing, I don't always do exactly what he suggests and I do tend to contemplate it in the light of the experience of people on here.
So I suppose what I am saying in a roundabout way is that in your case I would follow my instincts on feeding and give him a bit more.
If you can do the home testing then that will help tremendously and make you feel a lot less helpless because you can get good information from it. I was wary and scared of doing it but I am so glad I did. I use the lip (which I thought I never would do!) and Eddie truly doesn't mind. In fact if I get the test kit out and then get distracted, Eddie comes and paws at me to get on with it because he wants the treat which always follows a test!
I started with just curling his lip up[ and dabbing it with a tissue (to dry it off), then poked at it with my finger and gradually built up to actually pricking it with the lancet. He got a treat after every time I did anything and he really enjoyed it and is now completely relaxed about it.
Hope the vet is helpful!
Antonia

Monsters Momma 07-01-2013 10:24 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
So I guess I've bugged them enough about this hunger thing (Friday and today...twice) that the vet wants to do a BG on Vinny today. Another reason to home test I'm guessing!

Boy, I don't think our vet is ready for me! John is more laid back, taking what Dr's tell him...I am definitely not! I have read so much on this site and other's, taken notes...I do my research! ;)

Eddie 07-01-2013 10:31 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Well done!
Our vet had never had clients who took so many charts and lists of info in to see him before (and questions!)- but now he's got used to it and really appreciates our efforts. Last time the vet even asked us how we home test as they had another client who they thought should be doing it as well.

Hope it's a useful appointment.
Antonia

jesse girl 07-01-2013 10:39 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
most of us on the forum want to give the best care that we can for our pups and with diabetes most of the work is done at home .

this is one disease that can be managed at home and the more effort the better the outcome .

i think we all have a bit of mad scientist in us and we dont give up very easily .

CraigM 07-01-2013 10:42 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 109376)
the vet wants to do a BG on Vinny today. Another reason to home test I'm guessing!

Remember, a single test doesn't tell a whole lot, just what the BG was at that moment. Could be much higher / lower at other times. That's what makes home testing so helpful. You might ask what meter / procedure he uses.

Craig

Monsters Momma 07-01-2013 10:43 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jesse girl (Post 109379)
i think we all have a bit of mad scientist in us and we dont give up very easily .

I love this! :D

Monsters Momma 07-02-2013 03:50 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Ok, so here's the update...

Vinny's BG at the vet was 173, 90 minutes before his next meal/insulin!! I was shocked and pleased! So was our vet! Then my questions began...

Food...yes, we can add some green beans, chicken etc. to a meal or give as a snack in between when we're home during the day. He didn't see this as a problem...Vinny had gained 2 lbs., probably due to the pizza, cat food, etc. that he had been helping himself to. ;)

Our vet is old school so it didn't surprise me when he said he didn't think home testing was necessary...but he also wasn't too concerned about doing a curve. He said we could, but wanted to wait a couple of weeks with me adjusting the food. I bought a meter and will do a curve this weekend just to see what his numbers are.

I asked about buying insulin online and would he give me a prescription for it...he would, but then he said, "Why don't you give me the information you found online and we'll see if we can match the price? I'd rather you get it from me so we can keep track of things." I'm liking my vet! :)

I was going to ask if Vetsulin was the right insulin...we did talk about it being off the market for awhile, but after what Vinny's numbers were, I didn't ask!

We talked about a couple other things I had read and I told him I do a lot of research. I told him that was all the questions I had...for now. He told me I was well prepared...I said "You have no idea!" ;)

I did get a ReliOn meter, but the lancets that came with the clicker were 30ga (they carry the 26ga, but were out) and didn't even pierce the skin! I actually wanted to get a reading to compare with the vet's once we got home and Vinny was very patient with me poking a couple of places including his lip! After all, we were giving him green beans as a treat for letting us poke and prod him! ;) Oh well...I'll check the Wal-Mart near us for the 26ga today.

Thanks for all the info...I would not have been so 'smart' today had it not been for this site!!
Mel

Emily 07-02-2013 05:22 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
So glad to hear that things are improving! I know how relieving that feeling is :)

I just started doing at home curves with Elliot last month and I found that doing them over several consecutive days gave me a lot more info than doing them occasionally. I plotted them on a graph (homemade) so I could actually "see" the peaks and valleys. I plan to take them all to my vet for our next question and answer session :)

Regarding Vetsulin (which is what I am using)...Elliot was originally prescribed human insulin which we tried for 2 months and his curves showed very little effect. Did your vet start him out on something else originally that wasn't successful? I only ask because I noticed a huge price increased when we started Vetsulin, plus I can't get it locally...which is a bummer.

Eddie 07-02-2013 06:06 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
That sounds quite positive but remember that you can't tell a lot from a single spot check on BG.
It's a really good idea to do a curve yourself at the weekend as it will start to give you much better information. Using the lip isn't as bad as it sounds is it!
I find with my lancet device I have to be careful to make sure that the needle actually pokes out beyond the plastic. At first I pushed it in too far so it didn't even reach Eddie's skin. I just mention that in case it is happening with yours.
It is so helpful to be able to tell what is going on and how his BG levels move around before /after food and exercise.
On food, I am fairly relaxed about giving a bit of extra food or suitable treat if Eddie seems hungry, but I know others on the forum find their dogs are very sensitive to anything extra. It may be that you can get away with a bit more with a bigger dog where a bit of extra food is proportionately less than for a small dog. I also always bear in mind that it is on the whole safer for them to be a bit high than a bit low.
Sometimes Eddie has asked for extra food and I have found that his BG has dropped quite low - may be a coincidence or he may feel a need to eat.
Antonia

Patty 07-02-2013 06:06 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Sounds like your vet is willing to work with you. That's great. I am glad you asked about a curve. Will be nice to compare your meter when you are able to get readings.

If you can't get the 26g off the shelf at Walmart, you might ask them to order them for you. They should be able to look them up in the computer system and place an order. If Vinny doesn't mind the lip stick, the AccuChek softclix might be another option to try.

Monsters Momma 07-02-2013 06:47 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Oh, I did forget...John and I both tested the clicker set on the deepest penetration. (I like to see what I'm up against with things like this. I used to taste all my daughters medicine before I gave it to her when she was little...just to know if I was in for a fight! ;) ) We got blood from our fingers, but I wonder if it's deep enough for Vinny. I mean, I barely felt it, but then it was 30ga.

maladuca 07-02-2013 10:05 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I got my ReliOn meter at Walmart today. There were no 26 g lancets on the shelf so I ask at the pharmacy counter and they had them back there. Glad I asked. Maybe you could call all the local Walmarts and see if any have them in stock. Good luck.

Margaret

CraigM 07-02-2013 10:13 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Lancets are probably the cheapest item we use, so i wouldn't necessary drive more than a mile out of my way to go to a Walmart:) Probably not much more at Target, Walgreens, etc.

Craig

Monsters Momma 07-02-2013 10:40 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
So Margaret...you and I are on the same schedule! ;) It's funny, I seem to be surrounded by Wal-Marts around here so it's really not out of the way to go to a different one. I called around and found them at one I pass on the way home without much trouble, so I'll stop today.

Craig (and others)...I really am leaning toward splurging on an AlphaTrak and here's why: Yesterday when I took Vinny in, they used a needle to draw blood from his leg, while being held down. He was not too happy and neither was I after realizing what was going on! The tech then dropped the blood on the test strip and used the AlphaTrak to determine his BG level. I could have done that at home without the stress, not to mention the cost! A couple of visits like that and it would be paid for! I feel silly, because I just bought the ReliOn...talk me down from this ledge! ;)

momofdecker 07-02-2013 10:56 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Our vet often did the same thing early on. Something else to consider. There is venous blood (taken via vein) and capillary blood (how most folks test their dogs - via lancet). Most meters are designed to read capillary blood. So if you were to do a side by side comparison with your meter vs vet's meter - you would want them to draw the blood using a lancet and test it on their meter. Ideally, you'd want to have a large enough drop to test your meter with the same drop of blood.

CraigM 07-02-2013 01:45 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monsters Momma (Post 109501)
I feel silly, because I just bought the ReliOn...talk me down from this ledge! ;)

Nothing silly there!:) You are just starting your collection:D. I've said elsewhere, I think the best solution (for Annie & me) is to have both the AlphaTrak and a cheap (strip wise) ReliOn Prime or Confirm.

Craig

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maladuca 07-02-2013 02:18 PM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I used my ReliOn today at the same time of day that the vet does Teddy's spot BG - 3:00. It read 496. I think I read that you need to add to that because the reliOn runs low? I'm assuming it is lower than the one run at the vet's. Yikes. I had hoped that 8 units would help a bit.

Oh - I did the test at the base of the tail. I had just shaved an area there. He didn't even flinch. Just like you - I tested it on my finger first. Ouch!

Margaret

Monsters Momma 07-03-2013 07:48 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Just wanted to say how thankful I am for this website! I have learned so much and haven't been afraid to ask questions of my vet or push when I felt I needed to. ;)

I have also been shocked at Vinny and how he has reacted to me poking and prodding him...he's allowed me to do pretty much whatever I want to him! :D Maybe I'm just doing it with a little more confidence because of all of you! Maybe it's the green bean treats he's getting after I poke him! :rolleyes:

BTW...I found an AlphaTrak 2 on Ebay for a great price...I couldn't pass it up, so we'll see! I guess I am starting my collection! :o

Mel

jesse girl 07-03-2013 08:17 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
it sounds like you guys are settling into a routine

dogs love to please if given the opportunity

jesse gives me kisses after i test her and wags her tail such funny spirits

Monsters Momma 07-04-2013 04:32 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
I am going to try to do a curve today. <Crossing my fingers> Every time I have tried to do a blood sample since I bought the ReliOn Prime, somehow it's gotten messed up, a different human error every time! :o

So, today, I've already messed this up in a way...I didn't do a test before I fed Vinny. Oh, well...I will continue on with the rest of the day and see what happens. Wish me luck!:p

Mel

Eddie 07-04-2013 05:07 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Ah don't worry about missing the fasting test....there's always another one to do 12 hours later....and you can do a few in between anyway and see how he's doing. It's all good practice!
Like you, I have been happily surprised at how compliant our dog is with all that we do to him. At first I used to steel myself eg to test on his lip, telling myself that it was to help save his life and he just had to put up with it, but gradually I realised that most of the reluctance was on my part and he didn't really mind any of it, so long as he got his little treat afterwards.
In some ways it can even make you closer to your dog which is a nice side-effect.
Hope it goes well today
Antonia

Rubytuesday 07-04-2013 07:56 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Hi there, If you are able to do the curve another day I would postpone. For Ruby the fasting number was really important as she used to get a really big food rise and I wanted to track that.

As Antonia says maybe just some practice today to take some of the tension out of it.

Tara

CraigM 07-04-2013 08:24 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Don't know about where you live, or what you may have planned, but I don't plan to test Annie other than the regular fasting tests. We are having a family picnic that will be a bunch of people and two dogs in Annie's "space". She won't be too happy with all the commotion, except if someone throws a ball for her. Then the fireworks later this evening will really get her worked up. Today will not be a normal, typical day for her! Then again, testing is always fun and she might appreciate the few quiet minutes:)

Craig

Monsters Momma 07-04-2013 09:20 AM

Re: My Monster Vinny
 
Today is pretty much like any Saturday around here...just working in the yard and hanging out. No real excitement so I have done 3 tests. Vinny was fed at 6am and being so tired, I just forgot I was going to do a curve today. So, here are his numbers and I'm a bit concerned, although I keep telling myself I'm doing this with a ReliOn meter and so his numbers are probably higher...

8am 156
10am 118
12pm 69

What do you think?


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