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  • #31
    Re: Need help with Ben

    Well when jesse struggled in the beginning I used r in conjunction with nph

    So what i did i would give jesse nph insulin twice a day 12 hour apart and if she was high i would add a dose of r then 6 hours later if high i would give just a dose of r . So jesse revolved around a 6 hour pattern of testing and correcting higher sugar if needed . Now i did not consider this regulation just buying time

    We did discover what worked for her and got her regulated as far as jesses world .

    It appears you did have good numbers at one time . Maybe something changed medically and there was conversation of cushings which can make a dog insulin resistant
    Jesse-26 lbs - 16.5 years old ,11 years diabetic, one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack . 3 shots of Novolin( under the Relion name ) a day . Total insulin for a 24 hour period is 6.5 units of NPH insulin .
    Jesse earned her wings on 6/21/2021

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    • #32
      Re: Need help with Ben

      To add on to what jesse girl has said... Ben’s BG numbers looked pretty good back in 2016. Has something changed medically that would be causing high BG?

      Any dental problems, urinary tract infections, ear infections, skin problems?

      Do you have any recent curves that you could share so that we could see any trends?
      Last edited by MikeMurphy; 03-06-2019, 04:20 PM.
      Lily is a 62 lb English Setter, born 07-27-2007.
      Diabetes: Aug 2013
      Went peacefully to heaven on 04-24-2021
      Video in Lily’s memory: https://www.facebook.com/10000201631...3260300417807/

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      • #33
        Re: Need help with Ben

        A word of caution on the rapid acting insulin- .25 units brought my 20 lb Schnauzer down to 40 in a matter of an hour. I keep it on hand in case of an emergency but I haven't used it in over a year. I guess you never know how they're going to react.
        Daisy 12 1/2 y/o 20lb Mini Schnauzer - 115g chicken breast, 45g chana dal, 55g green beans all chopped in a food processor, 20g Hills Perfect Weight, 1 tbs pumpkin, 8 units Novolin N q12h. Other meds-1/4t d-mannose twice daily, 1 Proviable DC daily, 1 multivitamin, 1/4t ground eggshells each meal, 1200mcg methyl B12 daily, 5mg zyrtec daily

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        • #34
          Re: Need help with Ben

          What do you mean by sugar never been under control?
          Have you done the standard dose increases, and if so, what was the result.
          Has he had a dose higher than 5 for a few weeks to see what happens.

          Another thing that can make numbers erratic is changing food portions. Giving him more sometimes if he’s hungry can spike his numbers and it may take days to self correct. It doesn’t take much extra food to affect a 15 lb dog. I learned that with my 25 lb dog.

          You may just have to tighten the regimen, and be really consistent. Get back to basics. Keep food portions the same, increase the nph dose, test for a while and see if there is any changes. That would at least indicate that the insulin can affect his numbers. If you see numbers change, increase again.

          I’d try getting back to basics before experimenting with insulins.
          Riley, 8 yr. old maltipoo, 25 lbs., diagnosed Feb 2017, taking thyroid meds, had pancreatitis and DKA mid March, eating Wellness Senior formula can food. NPH dosage now at 9.0 units Humulin N. Adding either pumpkin, spinach, blueberries, yams, or green beans to his food. Also omega-3 oil.

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          • #35
            Re: Need help with Ben

            Dear all,

            Thank you for your very good advice which I’ve been reading very carefully, especially about not rushing to change the type of insulin.
            We are now following a very strict food regime, though I have to admit that it pains us to see that Ben is still hungry after his meals.
            Vet is now treating Ben with antibiotics for any potential infections, though it isn’t a urinary one, as we tested for the latter and the results were negative.
            I cannot say for sure what triggered this, but sugar levels are normal now (I’ve rarely seen such figures) - probably there was a latent infection somewhere.
            Ben is happy again, enjoying life and jumping in the fields.
            Thank you very much for all your help!
            Vanessa

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            • #36
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              My jesse runs into ear problems from time to time when she shakes her head her numbers go up and we need to treat them and numbers go back to normal

              glad things got better and hope they stay that way but it is the ups and downs of the disease
              Jesse-26 lbs - 16.5 years old ,11 years diabetic, one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack . 3 shots of Novolin( under the Relion name ) a day . Total insulin for a 24 hour period is 6.5 units of NPH insulin .
              Jesse earned her wings on 6/21/2021

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              • #37
                Re: Need help with Ben

                that is excellent news! That happened to us once too. The vet was sure there was no ear infection but she wound up taking antibiotics, her hearing got better and so did her blood sugar. yay!

                Originally posted by Vanessa View Post
                Dear all,

                Thank you for your very good advice which I’ve been reading very carefully, especially about not rushing to change the type of insulin.
                We are now following a very strict food regime, though I have to admit that it pains us to see that Ben is still hungry after his meals.
                Vet is now treating Ben with antibiotics for any potential infections, though it isn’t a urinary one, as we tested for the latter and the results were negative.
                I cannot say for sure what triggered this, but sugar levels are normal now (I’ve rarely seen such figures) - probably there was a latent infection somewhere.
                Ben is happy again, enjoying life and jumping in the fields.
                Thank you very much for all your help!
                Vanessa
                Jenny: 6/6/2000 - 11/10/2014 She lived with diabetes and cushings for 3 1/2 years. She was one of a kind and we miss her.

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                • #38
                  Re: Need help with Ben

                  Unfortunately, we’re back to square one again. Things changed as from yesterday afternoon

                  Ben has vomited twice this morning and also during the night. He’s unstable when he walks (just got up to pee, otherwise he’s sleeping all the time).

                  We’re fearing the worse 😢

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                  • #39
                    Re: Need help with Ben

                    Ben might have pancreatitis which is a complication of the disease and is life threatening . A vet visit maybe a good idea . You might want to look up symptoms of pancreatitis and see if it might apply to Ben . Either way you may want to fast ben for 24 hours and would not recommend force feeding .

                    hope been feels better soon
                    Jesse-26 lbs - 16.5 years old ,11 years diabetic, one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack . 3 shots of Novolin( under the Relion name ) a day . Total insulin for a 24 hour period is 6.5 units of NPH insulin .
                    Jesse earned her wings on 6/21/2021

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                    • #40
                      Re: Need help with Ben

                      Yes, please don't wait on the pancreatitis test, get it done now. The vet can do it in his office and know the result on the spot.
                      Riley, 8 yr. old maltipoo, 25 lbs., diagnosed Feb 2017, taking thyroid meds, had pancreatitis and DKA mid March, eating Wellness Senior formula can food. NPH dosage now at 9.0 units Humulin N. Adding either pumpkin, spinach, blueberries, yams, or green beans to his food. Also omega-3 oil.

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                      • #41
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                        My beautiful, kind, loyal Ben is gone. 😢

                        The vet said that it was time and family members said that I shouldn’t prolong his suffering.

                        Still never got an answer as to what was wrong with him.

                        Cannot believe it

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                        • #42
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                          I'm so very sorry for your loss of Ben. I rarely post here anymore as my diabetic girl has been gone 10 years, but saw this and had to reach out.
                          I'm truly sorry.

                          Bonnie and Angel Crissy Ann

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                          • #43
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                            You did your best Vanessa for Ben and did all you could . Ben is free of this world and the limitations placed on him . He is running free and jumping high
                            Jesse-26 lbs - 16.5 years old ,11 years diabetic, one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack . 3 shots of Novolin( under the Relion name ) a day . Total insulin for a 24 hour period is 6.5 units of NPH insulin .
                            Jesse earned her wings on 6/21/2021

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                            • #44
                              Re: Need help with Ben

                              Thank you all for the support you’ve given us.

                              It meant a lot to me to know I could seek advice here - it always gave us hope.

                              May God bless you all for taking the time to guide others.

                              I have uploaded here a photo we took on a happy Sunday - Ben was here begging me to take him out for a second walk.

                              That’s how I want to remember him.
                              Last edited by Vanessa; 03-12-2019, 02:11 PM. Reason: Uploaded photo

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                              • #45
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                                I'm so sorry. I like the way you are remembering him. xoxo
                                Jenny: 6/6/2000 - 11/10/2014 She lived with diabetes and cushings for 3 1/2 years. She was one of a kind and we miss her.

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