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Old 02-26-2009, 04:09 PM
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Welcome Margaret and Lucy

You'll find lots of help and info here, I would have been lost years ago without help.

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Just wanted to add my welcome. I'm sorry you've had such a struggle getting Lucy regulated. I'm glad to hear she is so tolerant of all the poking - it sure makes it easier. My dog Bailey is the same way, thankfully. Lucy sounds like a doll. You'll find so much helpful information & support here. Glad you found the board.
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HI Kathy,
I am back again we have been busy yesterday but I was itching to get back on again.
As I said Lucy's urine testing had came down up until Weds 25th Feb but all of a sudden they started rising again ( morning ones 3+ 1pm 3+ then a sudden drop at 6pm to a trace and neg.) I spoke to the vet this morning and he says he cannot rule out Somogy
or another urine infection, she had a culture done 2 weeks ago and it was clear so it looks like another culture is in the pipeline.
Meantime he wants me to reduce her insulin to 14iu's (she is on 15iu's) Caninsulin. So I am away back again. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:14 AM
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Hi Erin,
Thanks for the welcome I am glad your Bailey is as tolerant as Lucy it makes a big difference. I am having some problems at present as you will see. I feel I am never going to get her regulated this is after a year past Xmas. I just take it day by day at least she is still with us I just have a good cry now and again I just feel heartbroken that she has limited sight.

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Old 02-28-2009, 03:21 AM
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Hi Dolly,
Thanks for the welcome Niki looks lovely and cuddly as you say I think I will find a lot of help here on this site.

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Old 02-28-2009, 03:31 AM
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Hi Patty,
I have not got any info for you yet but it looks like she will probably be having another culture done and if it turns out to be the same as last time I will get the name of the bacteria. I do not understand it she was all clear a few weeks ago but as I said she is having the wee odd lick at the back again but not constantly. The vet is not ruling out Somogy! I am reducing her insulin tonight as she has dropped down every night at 6pm to trace and negative. I will keep you posted.

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Old 02-28-2009, 08:27 AM
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Margaret,

I agree with what your vet's saying. Right now we aren't sure if Lucy is rebounding or if another infection's on the way, so it makes sense to cut the insulin a bit to see if it is rebound or not.

Those with diabetes are more prone to infections than those who don't have the disease as it affects the immune system which is supposed to protect us from infections and other disases. When the immune system isn't able to do that 100%, you wind up getting infections easier. If you have a look through some of the other members' threads here, you'll see that one of the first signs they had that an infection was brewing was a problem with the bg's. Infections usually raise the bg's, but they can mean lower than normal ones too. It's a lot like your temperature in that you may have a fever when you're sick or you might have a temperature that's below normal.

What happens with diabetes is that when you have glucose readings which are high enough (renal threshold is 180 mg/dl), that makes the glucose spill into the urine--this is how you are able to measure it (or not) on urine test sticks. The sugary urine in the bladder is a good breeding ground for bacteria, and that can mean having a UTI.

The good news here is that Lucy certainly does NOT have resistance to the Caninsulin, for if she did, you wouldn't know what trace glucose urine would look like. It would be all terribly high readings, close to a flat line of them.


This is what insulin resistance looks like when you do a curve and make a graph of it--it looks just the same whether the bg's are measured in mg/dl or mmol. This is something like what we were seeing with Lucky on both human and beef insulins; there was no such thing as getting low enough to only have a trace of glucose as Lucy does.


This is what Somogyii rebound looks like when you do a curve and graph it out. If this is what's happening, the answer for it is less insulin rather than more of it. In rebound, too much insulin sets off the low bg's. This in turn, triggers the counter regulatory hormones such as cortisol, etc., and they respond by raising the bg's to high levels. Until you can stop triggering the low bg's with the excess of insulin, you won't stop the high ones caused by the counter-regulatory hormones activating.

So we have Lucy responding to the insulin, but in need of a little "tinkering" to find out if she's in rebound or has another UTI. After that question is answered, you should be seeing better results from her. I think the three of you are on the right road, so don't get too upset; the road of diabetes has some "bumps" along the way--everyone has some!

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Hi Margaret,

Here's a link to the video testing page: www.k9diabetes.com/bgtestvideos.html. There you will find Chris' video and I'll provide a link directly to it here: http://www.k9diabetes.com/christest.avi

You're posting in exactly the right place. Just keep replying here in this thread/conversation to tell us the latest news about Lucy.

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Old 02-28-2009, 09:30 AM
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Hi again Rick,
Do you find it easy blood testing Lucy? she is small like my Lucy any tips would be welcome. I note that you said your Lucy is nearly blind has she got very limited sight like mine? I find it difficult on here as I do not know if I am supposed to subscribe to some of the things that are going on I am not used to Forums and posts and threads this is something new but a minefield of knowledge.

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Old 02-28-2009, 10:13 AM
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Thanks Natalie,
You have made me feel better I have just done Lucy's test Today she has been the same as yesterday.
6pm 3+
1pm 3+
6pm Neg
I reduced the insulin tonight to 14iu's I am desperate to do blood testing but I do not want to rock the boat meantime!
I am sorry about not being sure about the posts and threads but I am no spring chicken
65 but still very young at heart. (Ha Ha) I am hoping it is not another infection as she has to have 7 injections of Gentamicin as nothing else works for her. They say she can only have them so many times as it can affect the kidneys. So I am praying that it is not an infection.

Thanks again Natalie
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