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Old 01-08-2014, 08:19 AM
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Good morning all!

i'm using Novolin N from walmart and Allie gets 8cc's twice daily. i'm wondering if anyone discards the insulin or if do you continue to use it until its gone? my vet advised that i didnt need to discard it but i've seen a couple of responses on ohter posts that indicate this may not be what others are being told.

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Old 01-08-2014, 08:34 AM
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Welcome,
I think most people on here use theirs for 32-45 days. I use mine for about 38 days, then throw the rest out and get a new bottle...
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:37 AM
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I guess it depends if you home test or not and able to see if insulin becomes less affective over time

we go about 2 months and maybe use half a bottle . now novolin from wallmart is fairly inexpensive compared to other insulin's so the incentive to hold onto it longer is not as important for most but I do understand some have to really watch there pennies
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:43 AM
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I have a dog on NPH and a dog on Vetsulin. The vetsulin only lasts about 3 weeks given her dosage so we never have to throw it out due to potency issues. The NPH lasts a couple months (we use it all) and we haven't seen any degradation. We also home test so we can keep an eye on it
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:23 AM
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I used all the Novolin too, ... usually around 40 days.
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Old 01-08-2014, 10:39 AM
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I switch out the Novolin-N every 6 weeks (tossing about 1/3 the vial). I figure Novolin-N thru Walmart is cheap enough that I'd just go ahead and keep it fairly fresh. Be sure to roll / mix the vial so that it remains the same strength

BTW, Allie is getting 8 units of insulin, not 8cc. The entire vial of insulin contains only 10cc of insulin. We Americans have trouble with the metric system, don't we? The vial contains 10cc / 1000 units.

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Old 01-08-2014, 07:01 PM
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Ditto to Craig, that's one of the reason I'm happy with the switch. We were getting such mixed info on how the longevity of Humulin, even from the manufacturer. Novolin says 42 days, so for less than $.50 day I don't feel wasteful discarding the remainder.
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:15 PM
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Jenny's dose is pretty small and I have noticed a decrease in effectiveness anywhere from 4 -6 weeks. So I try to toss it after 4 or 5 weeks.

I actually keep 3 bottles in the fridge in case I break one, but I rotate the oldest out as we hit the 4-5 week mark for the new bottle. I write the date we start using it on the box.

After 2 1/2 years even my husband is finally catching on to this system! (I used to have to hide the extra bottles so he could easily find the one to use - he gets nervous)
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I can usually see the novolin n lose its effectiveness after 40 days. I will see the numbers start to drift up then start a new bottle and they are back where they should be.

I did notice something with the relion syringes in the past couple of months - when I uncap the syringe, there is trapped air in the end of the syringe. I have used them for years and have never had air in the syringe before. If you inject the air into the insulin, the insulin seems to lose the effectiveness much faster. I would stick the needle in without thinking because I have never had to think about it before, and either pull the needle back out and release the air or inject the air into the bottle. Either way, more air gets in the bottle. I have had to make a conscious effort to expel the air before I stick the bottle.
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I did notice something with the relion syringes in the past couple of months - when I uncap the syringe, there is trapped air in the end of the syringe. I have used them for years and have never had air in the syringe before. If you inject the air into the insulin, the insulin seems to lose the effectiveness much faster. I would stick the needle in without thinking because I have never had to think about it before, and either pull the needle back out and release the air or inject the air into the bottle. Either way, more air gets in the bottle. I have had to make a conscious effort to expel the air before I stick the bottle.
I don't really understand this Amy. Don't you inject air into the vial before drawing out the insulin anyway? I know I've read somewhere (insulin data sheet?) that if you are going to inject, say 7 units, you should inject 7 "units" of air into the vial first to raise the pressure in order to withdrawal the insulin.

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