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Old 01-15-2017, 06:21 PM
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thats good news

hope for continued success
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:24 AM
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Default Mysterious complications

Hi everyone. It's been awhile since I wrote. Oliver has been regulated for nearly a year now, and is at 20 units 2x daily. He's also hypothyroid, and medicated for that. In general, things are great...he is peppy, eating, drinking normally, going for walks, etc.

But in the last few weeks he has been sick several times, and it seems to be increasing in frequency. First time he just threw up. The second time he roamed the yard for hours desperately looking for and eating grass, and eventually threw up. That time he also had some abdominal distress, which lasted a few hours and then resolved.

Last night, just before he ate dinner, he began searching for grass, and licking the floor frequently. His blood sugar was 86...I even gave him a little honey, thinking it he was having a low. Then he ate his dinner eagerly and got his insulin. He continued to search for and eat grass for about 3-4 hours. His distress seemed to be more in the throat, since he was coughing, and his stomach never heaved nor did he throw up. Sometimes spittle would come out, but it looked normal.

This distress seemed to come in waves about 10-15 minutes apart, so he didn't relax for hours. He never did throw up, but the intensity seemed to decrease with time, and he finally slept at about midnight. Nothing was caught in his throat...I've seen that a couple of times and this wasn't it.

By the way this has always happened at dinnertime, never breakfast. This morning he seems normal again.

It almost seemed like acid reflux or some fluid draining into his mouth cavity...but who knows.

Does anyone have any clues as to what this could be?

Thanks so much,

Mary
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Old 11-23-2017, 10:33 AM
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Hi Mary,

My Lily was eating grass and throwing up a couple of years ago and it turned out to be pancreatitis. We changed to a low fat diet and she hasn’t had pancreatitis since then. However, every now and then she will eat grass and get an upset stomach. When this happens, I give her a Pepcid AC and that settles her stomach.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:58 AM
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Yes, get your vet to do the test for pancreatitis asap. It's a simple blood test, don't let the vet just say " he doesn't seem to show symptoms."
Insist on the test.
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Old 11-25-2017, 04:51 AM
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...But in the last few weeks he has been sick several times, and it seems to be increasing in frequency. First time he just threw up. The second time he roamed the yard for hours desperately looking for and eating grass, and eventually threw up. That time he also had some abdominal distress, which lasted a few hours and then resolved.
If you get him to lie still, put your head to his stomach. Listen for gurgling or boing, boing sounds. That would mean acid is dripping into his stomach. Pepcid AC, given based on weight, will help (as Mike suggested) as well as Flagyl (metronidazole). Any pharmacy carries Flagyl for cheap, but you will need a script.

IBD (inflammatory bowel disease) is also a possibility, if other causes are ruled out.

Make sure he is not getting into things outside. Just the slightest piece of crud ingested will give Scooter a bad day. I need to watch him very carefully on our walks. He's a major rooter.

Consider adding old fashion Quaker oats to his food each meal, if the vet approves. A probiotic might be a good investment to get his system back on track once things are sorted out. The human kind works fine. Don't get sold a high-priced pet version. Totally not needed and a waste of $$.
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Old 12-03-2017, 06:47 PM
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Thanks everyone, for your comments.

Our vet recommended Pepcid AC, one tablet per occurrence or once daily as a preventative. It happened the other night, and we gave him one. It did seem to shorten the time of the event and he was fine afterwards. We've also switched him to a lowfat food, gradually.

Next time he's at the vet, we'll do that pancreatitis test. Otherwise, he's happy and peppy.

I'll let you know if anything else develops.

Mary
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Old 12-18-2017, 06:05 PM
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Hi everyone. Just an update on Ollie.

We have been giving him one Pepcid 30 minutes prior to his dinner every day. He has not had any repeat incidences of frantic licking/eating grass. It's been about 4 weeks, so this seems to be working!

He also used to cough vigorously and regularly, but that is happening much less often now.

We still have not had a pancreatitis test. Hopefully all of this was just acid reflux or something like it.

Thanks so much for your support. Have a wonderful holiday.

Mary
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Old 12-18-2017, 06:10 PM
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thanks for the update and glad things are a bit better
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Old 12-19-2017, 05:54 AM
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The great thing about Pepcid is you can keep them on it all the time. It was a regular addition to Maggie’s routine. If you do have any other episodes, I do recommend the pancreatitis test. It doesn’t require a full panel. If there is pancreatitis, you can head it off before it turns into a life threatening situation.
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Old 03-16-2019, 10:07 AM
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Default Ollie in decline?

I haven't posted in a long while, so here's a brief summary:


Ollie is a lab mix who was diagnosed 2.5 years ago when he was 11. He had non-treatable glaucoma and had his eyes removed. He (and we) have had great success in the past 2.5 years regulating his insulin, and he's done very well being blind. We feel like old pros now. Gradually, he has been aging and getting less and mobile, and losing his hearing. His appetite has always been good.


Now he seems to be going downhill more rapidly. He has only eaten about 1/3-1/2 of his meals for the last week, and we have adjusted his insulin accordingly. His blood sugar levels have been fine. He is fairly listless. There does not seem to be any tooth soreness. We have changed his food and it seemed to help a little. He does not seem to be in pain.



We are not rushing him to the vet for a variety of reasons. None of them are because we do not love and cherish him! Please hear me out:
1. The closest vet is 2 hours away.
2. The 2 hr away vet will refer us to a vet 5 hours from us.
3. We do not have a lot of money. Just the trip to the vet and any overnight stays would be a lot for us, not to mention the vet fees.


So, sad as it is to say, we are thinking these might be the start of Ollie's last days. His quality of life has been greatly reduced over the past winter, and it really does feel like this decline is quite natural and acceptable.


So two things:



1. If it had not been for this forum, Ollie would not have lived past his diagnosis, so a great big thank you and hugs to everyone who makes this possible. We feel like we have come a long way, and have been able to enjoy this awesome dog for years beyond his normal life expectancy.


2. I am going to try eggs and rice for his food tonight. Is there anything else we could be doing? I'm thinking that just giving him straight broth (only) would not be good with insulin, since it will travel through his system rapidly. So, I'm trying to stick with solid food. Any thoughts?
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