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Old 06-29-2011, 11:11 AM
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thanks Natalie, we started her at 5 units twice a day, today. I wouldn't mind the drive if it is my only option but I'm hoping I can get a second opinion closer to home before we start traipsing all over.

I was mostly disgusted that he is basing the referral on my observations. I've never been around another diabetic dog, I have no clue if this is "normal."

I'm less emotional about it today. Onward and upward!
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Old 06-29-2011, 11:13 AM
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Hi,

My girl, Crissy, had both Cushings' and diabetes. I tested her blood on the inside upper lip for 5 years with great success. If you want to see a picture of a dog with Cushings' take a look at her pictures here:
http://www.k9diabetes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83


Bonnie and Angel Criss
what a beauty your Criss was! she looked so happy in her after picture. We are definitely trying the lip again tonight. I think we can do this if I use the bathroom counter where she knows she has to suffer whatever I do to her

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Old 06-29-2011, 01:36 PM
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I got an appointment for Jenny this Friday, at a clinic in Fargo with lots of diabetes experience and Cushings experience.

Now I wonder if I'm not jumping the gun.

My vet is faxing her records over. The vet tech I spoke to was aware that he had planned to refer us to the University of Minnesota which definitely seems like overkill at this point.

Hopefully this vet will have more diabetes experience. I'm feeling major guilt and second guessing myself again.
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Old 07-01-2011, 06:37 PM
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Well thank you all for the information you provide. Jenny tested positive for Cushings today. This new vet seems very knowledgeable about Cushings and Canine Diabetes.

We started her on Lysodren for the next 7 days then she goes back next Friday for another ACHT (?) test and another BG curve.

This vet was going to defer to her primary vet who doesn't have the test for Cushings and never brought it up last year when her liver phosphates got so high. I told him that everyone is being so careful not to step on toes and my Jenny is caught in the middle. I asked him to please handle her Cushings and Diabetes. I don't know if I'd have had the guts if it weren't for all of you.

So, we are on the lookout for side effects and we have prednisone on hand if we need it. Jenny is 11 and he told me if we can get these 2 issues under control he doesn't see why she can't live to be 14 or 15. That is the most encouraging news I've heard in a long time.

Thanks again for being here.

Judi & Jenny (who now takes as much medication as my 80 year old Mom)!
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Old 07-05-2011, 06:49 AM
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Cushings/Diabetes question:

hi: I am getting help from the Cushings forum (thank you) but we go to get re-tested tomorrow since Jenny had an immediate reaction to Lysoderm (sp). I thought I saw in some of the posts that there were Cushings medicines that didn't go too well with a diabetic dog. I'm sorry I'm in a hurry and can't scan again.

Anything I should be on the lookout for tomorrow if/when he suggests something new?

Right now I am waiting to see if she really does have cushings. The folks on the Cushings forum think the diagnosis might have been a false positive since she instantly got diarrhea and threw up a little from the medication.

thanks for any help. again. You are all so generous with your time & knowledge.

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There's really no rush to treat Cushing's disease even if she has it. I would continue working the diabetes and set aside any Cushing's treatment for now. How she responds to diabetes treatment can tell you a lot about whether Cushing's disease is actually present.

If she has Cushing's and it's not treated, damage occurs only after going without treatment for a long time. So you can wait and see how things go without causing any problems.

The lysodren treatment would affect her blood sugar - typically requiring her to need less insulin... but I think I saw at the Cushing's forum that you are not going to give Lysodren for now.

I'll try to get back later and write more.

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Judi,

The only reaction I was warned about with Criss was the possible need to reduce her insulin when she took her Lysodren doses. She was 'loaded' with a high dosage of Lysodren daily for about 8 days. Once her ACTH test showed a positive result, she then went on a weekly dose. I divided it up into 3 smaller doses so as not to have a great affect on the insulin.

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Old 07-05-2011, 12:15 PM
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thanks Natalie and Bonnie. I think I'll be more informed after tomorrow's round of testing and BG curve. Friday was so rushed. I had thought that the Cushings needed to be dealt with first.

Appreciate the info and glad we got her in tomorrow for a new round of tests. If I have to go the University of Minnesota I will but I'm hoping this new vet is knowledgeable as I heard he was.

fingers crossed. Judi

p.s. I just read Criss' story again. You are the best dog mom around
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:40 PM
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I have to say as frustrated as I've been with Jenny's primary vet he called me tonight for our "weekly Tuesday Jenny phone call." Even though I have another vet doing the Cushing and Diabetes monitoring now.

He did advise me that if it comes to an ultrasound I should probably go to someone with a lot of ultrasound experience.

After reading Pamala's nightmare vet experience I am appreciating the better sides of him.
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Hi,

We have been on vacation, so I have not kept up with posts, but my Abby was diagnosed from one vet as diabetes, and the other vet as possible cushings, and possibly not diabetic. I believe Abby went through a slight 'Honeymoon" period, as once she was on insulin (10 units once a day the first vet prescribed), she then did not need any for about 1 week, and then we changed over to 2 units 2x a day, and she is now up to 4 units 2x a day and doing quite nicely. The symptons that they stated that she had for Cushings was (potbelly (her liver functions were high and ultra sound showed enlarged liver, but everything was healthly). She ate a lot (this has gone away since she has been regulated), and she lost 8 lbs (she needed it). Her hair does not fall out, and grows back quickly. During vacation she hiked 3 miles up and down mountains with no problems. So, even though her ACTH test came back positive and she had two adrenal glands that looks enlarged, I have decided to table the treatment for Cushings. From the Cushings site, it is highly recommended that you go to a specialist, as I believe that both symptons for diabetes and cushings are similar. I have found it rare that vets have both a Cushings and Diabetic dog.

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