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Old 07-23-2020, 03:29 AM
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This is Bart with a sensor. It helped as great when we put this on him, to understand what food did to BG's and exercise and the curve overnight. I have to say, it was also a bit stressy for us when you see on the sensor that he is high and you can't do anything to help him.
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Old 07-23-2020, 03:33 AM
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sorry, tried to upload other picture, but failed.
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Bart is a Small Münsterlander, born 07-2011, 21 kg
Diabetes: okt 2019 Insulin: Vetsulin morning 6.5 and evening 6 units
Meter: Freestyle reader and Accucheck
Diet: Raw meat with 25% vegetables
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Old 07-23-2020, 06:32 AM
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what you are looking to do is a curve which is a test every 2 hours for 12 hours. Now since you have this self testing device every hour maybe better some people do a 24 hour curve

once you complete the curve you can post the numbers and include shot and mealtime and any exercise and when that occurred

Never used the system you are using but it seems to work well .
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:47 AM
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Remember, in diabetes, there will be times when sugar is high, and low, and everything in between. It will be a range over a 12 hour period. Especially when using this type of insulin. It matters more how high it gets and when.

In human diabetes, the only way to try and avoid all high sugar is with a glucose monitoring device that injects fast insulin when needed.
Dogs can handle high sugar better than humans over the long term generally.
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Riley, 8 yr. old maltipoo, 25 lbs., diagnosed Feb 2017, taking thyroid meds, had pancreatitis and DKA mid March, eating Wellness Senior formula can food. NPH dosage now at 9.0 units Humulin N. Adding either pumpkin, spinach, blueberries, yams, or green beans to his food. Also omega-3 oil.
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Old 07-23-2020, 01:35 PM
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Yeah you are right about the diet part where vets don't know much about it besides "buy this dry dog food". If your pet cant eat said dry food and the vet really doesn't have an answer, it is scary for a diabetic pet owner that is pretty much blind to the situation also.


For my BG testing on Cloud i usually use his front leg callus that he has on the joint areas where he lays down on a lot and just massage it a bit to get some blood flow and prick him with the highest level penetration setting. Since its a callus it seems he doesn't feel anything and hes gotten use to laying down for about a minute to get this done for now. Since hes a 70 pound dog and he has gotten use of his hind legs again hes more squirmy lately just because he can be lol.


Totally understand your stress when you see high numbers. I had this problem for a month and i blew threw boxes of test strips because every 2 hours i hoped it would look good. Thank fully my dog has regulated now and im actually having to reduce some insulin since his body is getting use to the diet and insulin. Things will look better once you get the hang of tweaking things on the fly. Hang in there yall will make it through and life will go back to a norm.
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His numbers are good now, but they were high in the beginning on the dry food. He was losing weight and I also lost weight due to stress. Now on the raw meat he is doing fine. He doesn't have the callus you are talking about. I think they occurs with heavier dogs. Or he is spoiled laying on soft undergrounds. I understand you taking bloedsamples every two hours. Fine that your dog is going well now.
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Diet: Raw meat with 25% vegetables
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Old 07-28-2020, 08:51 AM
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Just bear in mind raw diets can be high in fat. Fat can be potentially dangerous for things like pancreatitis.
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glad you found food for your dog that he likes and works for regulation

it can be very challenging finding what food works .

your doing great
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I like to know how you are handling the following: I understand you measure the amounts of units of insulin by the nadir. I give him 6.5 units, then Bart has a nadir of 104 (5.8). But if I catch the nadir with some carbohydrates, than the nadir flattens. The blood glucose stays more stable. The nadir is than 217 (12.1). He is hours on that level. Is the better way to give some carbo's to catch the nadir and than give more insulin? Or don't give the carbo's and get the lower nadir?
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Bart is a Small Münsterlander, born 07-2011, 21 kg
Diabetes: okt 2019 Insulin: Vetsulin morning 6.5 and evening 6 units
Meter: Freestyle reader and Accucheck
Diet: Raw meat with 25% vegetables

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5.8 is a good nadir. You would only need carbs if nadir was lower than that, and the rest of the 12 hours his numbers were good.

Meaning, if most of the 12 hours he was below 15, but his nadir was too low, he might need a small carb before nadir.

We want stable sugars, but not higher stable necessarily. Stable usually means a good range of blood sugar, without big highs or lows.
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