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  • #61
    Re: Hobbs the Lab

    As Jessegirl said, I would be careful with the dosage. Hobbs was only diagnosed a month ago, and in the first few months dogs are notoriously inconsistent. To err on the cautious side is much safer than relying on numbers from a week ago.

    Both my diabetic pugs have produced insulin for a few months after diagnosis. This is a bit of a controversial subject, but many think that happens fairly often. I do know that both of mine (4 yrs apart) produced insulin, there is no other explanation for low numbers, and no insulin needed for days at a time shortly after diagnosis. The tricky part in all this is that there is no way to predict what they will do from day to day. You have to be a bit reactive, giving more some days, and some days less. It is not perfect science, but the normal body does exactly that, produces insulin only when needed.

    My theory is that dogs that are diagnosed very soon are more likely to produce some insulin (honeymooning), than ones who were actually experiencing high glucose for a longer period of time and diagnosed late in the game.

    I am sure others will have ideas on this, but my advice is to be careful, giving insulin when needed, but not worrying that the dose stays the same every day. Hobbs will eventually settle in to it, and once he stops honeymooning, it will seem very easy for you.

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    • #62
      Re: Hobbs the Lab

      A dog can apparently continue to produce some insulin itself for a while despite being diabetic. I wonder if this is what is happening here perhaps.
      Eddie - Lab x golden retriever. Weighed 63lbs. Ate Canagan. Diagnosed October 2012. 13units of Caninsulin twice a day. Had EPI as well as diabetes. Died 20 June 2017. Loved forever.

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      • #63
        Re: Hobbs the Lab

        I wonder if that is what is going on. I figured he would still have some high days, but didn't think his numbers would suddenly drop. He is at 421 this afternoon so I'm not expecting another super low today.

        Hobbs - 9 yr old, 65 lb, male Black Labrador. Newly diagnosed October 2015, not regulated yet, but hoping to get there soon.

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        • #64
          Re: Hobbs the Lab

          Numbers have stayed in the 200-300 range since lowering to 8 units. His low point is definitely between 4 and when he is fed at 7.

          The itching is getting a little ridiculous and today he was chewing on his leg enough to make little blood blister pinch marks Money is really tight, so I'm wondering if there is different insulin that is still affordable?

          Hobbs - 9 yr old, 65 lb, male Black Labrador. Newly diagnosed October 2015, not regulated yet, but hoping to get there soon.

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          • #65
            Re: Hobbs the Lab

            Novolin is the most affordable - you could try vetsulin. It will be higher. Some people who use it may have some ideas if it is any cheaper online. If the itching is due to the insulin and the itching continues, it could cause his blood sugar to be off and skin infections. I know from having a very allergic dog, this can get pricey.
            Maggie - 15 1/2 y/o JRT diagnosed 9/2007, Angel status on 6/20/16. Her mantra was never give up but her body couldn't keep up with her spirit. Someday, baby.......

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            • #66
              Re: Hobbs the Lab

              I gave him a good oatmeal shampoo bath, and that seems to have helped the itching quite a bit. Crossing my fingers he just had dry, dirty skin.

              He had another super low number of 65 this morning before I fed him, but for the most part he has stayed above 100 the past few days.

              Hobbs - 9 yr old, 65 lb, male Black Labrador. Newly diagnosed October 2015, not regulated yet, but hoping to get there soon.

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              • #67
                Re: Hobbs the Lab

                You can also try giving him some benadryl and see if that helps with the itching. Just make sure it is plain bendryl and not combined with anything like tylenol.
                Sparky Love, diagnosed March 5, 2014. Enrolled in Kinostat study to prevent cataract formation. Pancreatitis June 16, 2014 - hospitalized for 6 days in the ICU. Went to the Rainbow Bridge June 23, 2014. I love you very much, baby.

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                • #68
                  Re: Hobbs the Lab

                  How common is it for a diabetic dog to get cataracts? Hobbs is doing pretty well getting regulated, but I'm starting to see some cloudiness in his eyes.

                  Hobbs - 9 yr old, 65 lb, male Black Labrador. Newly diagnosed October 2015, not regulated yet, but hoping to get there soon.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Hobbs the Lab

                    pretty common. some dogs don't get them but I don't know why. my Jenny adjusted to being blind the cataract surgery just wasn't an option for us
                    Jenny: 6/6/2000 - 11/10/2014 She lived with diabetes and cushings for 3 1/2 years. She was one of a kind and we miss her.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Hobbs the Lab

                      Originally posted by Barefootmomma09 View Post
                      How common is it for a diabetic dog to get cataracts? Hobbs is doing pretty well getting regulated, but I'm starting to see some cloudiness in his eyes.
                      Unfortunately, quite common. Some pups seem to develop cataracts quickly, others take longer and some escape them. Best to locate an eye specialist and get the straight info concerning your options. Many pups are candidates for cataract surgery, but it can be expensive. Annie had surgery 4+ years ago and it was over $3,000. The surgery worked on one eye and she maintained vision for another 2 years or so. She finally went blind a year ago due to glaucoma.

                      Annie does fine as a blind dog. When walking on leash, folks we meet don't know she is blind. She has no trouble finding her food bowl, and enjoys chasing a bounced ball. So, if blindness happens their life changes, but they learn to cope very quickly.

                      Craig
                      Annie was an 18 pound Lhasa Apso that crossed the rainbow bridge on 10-5-17. She was nearly 17 years old and diabetic for 9½ years.

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                      • #71
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                        Originally posted by Cara Sandler View Post
                        You can also try giving him some benadryl and see if that helps with the itching. Just make sure it is plain bendryl and not combined with anything like tylenol.
                        I just wanted to comment that I never heard about giving benadryl until a couple weeks ago when a friend suggested it for my dog. She says she uses it more often during the summer because of allergies and even bee stings. I researched it and found this website http://www.anydogrescue.org/benadryl-for-dogs/ which gives a chart for how much benadryl you should give to your dog. I cleared this with my veterinarian and he said that is is fine, but if a problem persists that we should take in our dog and find an appropriate medication.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Hobbs the Lab

                          Just be careful if you trying using Benadryl, if used too much it can cause bloody noses in dogs and people also. I used for my dog with his allergies and he started getting bloody noses, then I did some research and this can be a side effect for some so I just stopped using.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Hobbs the Lab

                            A lot of members use Apoqel for dogs allergies.
                            Last edited by k9diabetes; 04-19-2016, 12:43 PM. Reason: Natalie
                            Riliey . aka Ralphy, Alice, Big Boy
                            20 lb male. 5 1/2 nph insulin. 1/2 cup fromms. black cockapoo, dx Apr 2012 . 5 1\2 yrs diabetic. 2000 to 2017

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                            • #74
                              Maggie has used claritin or zyrtec. I don't love benadryl as it makes them sleepy. Maggie has a dermatology vet, 2 eye vets, 2 internal medicine vets. She has more specialists than most people.
                              Maggie - 15 1/2 y/o JRT diagnosed 9/2007, Angel status on 6/20/16. Her mantra was never give up but her body couldn't keep up with her spirit. Someday, baby.......

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                              • #75
                                Re: Hobbs the Lab

                                Just further proof that each dog is an individual. I use benadryl on many pugs, pretty standard stuff for mast cell tumors which are very common in pugs. Benadryl & cimetidine are the best for the MCTs, and I have never had a single problem with either. Even tried benadryl myself hoping for that drowsy effect, and no luck at all LOL

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