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Old 11-16-2014, 08:09 PM
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Hmmmm, well, the one thing I can think of is this: stress causes an increase in the amount of cortisol that is produced by your (or your dog's) body. Elevated cortisol can cause elevated blood glucose. So given the scenario you mentioned, I can see how it is possible that this is stress induced. I think the only way you're going to know for sure is to continue testing your pup's glucose for a little while and see what you get.

And nothing to be embarrassed about. This isn't something you're trying to do to your pup. I know several people who have had head injuries, and who have seizures. It's biologically driven and not a "behavior". It's not any different than, well, having diabetes :-)
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Old 11-16-2014, 08:31 PM
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Well, I think we have all read about therapy dogs who can tell when their owner's blood glucose is high, or feeling impacted by PTSD or even sense a seizure about to occur. Since Ace loves you he may be responding, just as you would if the situation was reversed. Please share this with your vet, Ace may be simply need a thunder shirt, or doggy Prozac, or some else to help him cope.

It certainly can't hurt to keep him on a low glycemic food.

Great news that the new medication is helping both of you!

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Old 11-17-2014, 08:43 AM
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interesting and yes i would say its possible stress can induce higher blood sugar

my jesse is epileptic and has grand mal seizures . after having a seizure her blood sugar will be high. could be out of whack for a couple days

for the last year her seizures have been reduced from 2 a month to 1 every 3 months . she has never been on any medication . not sure why we have seen such a dramatic reduction in her symptoms but very grateful for the relief

diabetes has changed jesses life . i switched her diet to a home prepared diet that is partially raw . low glycemic a few natural supplements . she has done well health wise . this is something i did on my own for the most part maybe influenced by a higher power because i am not that smart

the next phase was me . my health was not that good . joints hurt high blood pressure and cholesterol . not on any medication but doctor wanted to start . i decided to change how i did things with jesse showing me the way . funny i thought i saved her life but she saved mine . my health improved dramatically as with jesse . it shows if given the chance the body can do amazing things without intervention from modern medicine .

jesses diabetes has taught me so much i have learned if things are deteriorating i am going in the wrong direction . i have learned to be a detective of health and how to improve it taking small steps forward sometimes backwards but all a learning experience
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Old 11-17-2014, 05:02 PM
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Welcome to you and Ace. And very sorry to hear about the many health issues you are facing.

Home blood sugar testing will help you determine whether Ace is diabetic. Normal blood sugar for a dog is essentially the same as normal blood sugar for a person - between about 75 and maybe 120 or 130.

So Ace's blood sugar is elevated even at 160-200. In a human, I imagine he would be considered at least prediabetic.

Anything affecting the pancreas can lead to elevated blood sugar, as can Cushing's disease and some other hormonal disorders.

I actually think a diabetes diagnosis might be the best of the possible options. It is a highly controllable disease that doesn't have to have any impact on your dog's lifespan. And it can be treated much less expensively than pancreatitis or Cushing's disease.

I think you and your wife will need to be very clear with the vet that you cannot afford constant monitoring at the vet and therefore need to do curves and other testing at home and use the most affordable insulin, Walmart's Relion N.

Since your dog is small, a bottle of insulin should easily last a month to six weeks - that's $25. The syringes are not very expensive either at Walmart... my recollection is that a box of 100 - a 2.5 month supply - used to be about $12-14. Lancets are cheap. So that leaves the cost of the test strips, which you can get less expensively online than at a local pharmacy. Some folks use eBay or Amazon. I used to get mine from http://www.adwdiabetes.com/

By testing at home, you can do a full blood glucose curve for less than $10 and the meter itself should last for years.

So monthly, about $20 for insulin, $5 for syringes, $3 for lancets, and between $10 and $20 for blood sugar testing if done fairly regularly. Total cost of about $40 a month with frequent monitoring, less than $30 without.

If you know someone who is diabetic, especially if on Medicare, they often get far more test strips and lancets than they use - might be able to get a donation of some.

I also have a Bayer Contour meter donated by someone whose dog passed away. I could send it to you. The Contour is a pretty good meter for dogs. If you are interested, let me know and I will send it to you.

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I think I might also have some syringes I can send you if that would help. I'll have to check and see.
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Old 11-18-2014, 05:29 AM
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Thank you all for the kind words and generous offers.

I have a few family members who are diabetic, and also have offered some of their excess supplies. Thank you guys so much though, thats a very kind thing to do to a stranger

Should hopefully find out late this afternoon whats going on. Ill keep you all posted!
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Old 11-18-2014, 08:14 AM
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We'll be very interested to hear what the vet has to say.
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Old 11-18-2014, 05:57 PM
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Talk about bad luck. Appt got rescheduled due to a water main break in front of vets office!
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Old 11-18-2014, 07:28 PM
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Darn! We'll all be pulling for you tomorrow then!
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Small update. They were closed again today, but they did call. I take ace tomorrow night.

We did get the results of the culture though. He says its a very severe uti and the antibiotics ace is on right now arent effective as the e.coli (i think he said) is resistant to it.

I told him what the other vet (come to find out 100%, she is not a vet there, but is a vet somewhere else and was filling in as a favor) said, and he said she slightly over exagerated the glucose in the urine. I told him about the seizures, and the diet change ect. He says its a very real possibility by the amount of glucose in the urine that it was just stress and the uti playing a role. But he did say he, and I, would both feel more comfortable having the blood test just to make sure. At least hearing that from him made me a little more relaxed.

How quickly do the blood tests usually come back? Answers before leaving the vets, or wait a few days? Thanks!
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