Diabetes in Dogs: The k9diabetes.com Forum
 

Go Back   Diabetes in Dogs: The k9diabetes.com Forum > Diabetes Discussion: Your Dog

Diabetes Discussion: Your Dog Anything related to your diabetic dog.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #111  
Old 11-04-2015, 06:59 AM
Soaphie & Sydney's Mom's Avatar
Soaphie & Sydney's Mom Soaphie & Sydney's Mom is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,186
Default Re: Laryngeal Paralysis in Diabetic Dog Need Info.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubytuesday View Post
Sorry Muphy is struggling with this. It can be terrible for them not to be getting enough air.

Although I haven't had a dog with LP I used to see a fair amount of dogs have the corrective surgery at the vet practice I worked at. Although surgery is not without it's risks I would not hesitate if it were my dog, but I don't say this lightly.

I say it because LP can be very uncomfortable for them, all the surgeries I have seen have had a positive outcome and have made the world of difference in the dog.

Tara
Ugh! Sorry, Tara! Ruby had EPI, not LP. My bad.
__________________
Soaphie = 15 yr old Border/Berner mix dx 07/08. ~8.25 units a.m./p.m. vetsulin, blind/deaf. Ultra Senior, Vital Beef/Bison, Brown Rice and lots of loving. Soaphie passed on October 29, 2015. Sydney = 14.5 yr old Aussie/Shar Pei mix dx 11/10. NPH-varies w/ predinisone a.m./p.m., blind/deaf. Sydney passed on June 3, 2014.
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 05-30-2016, 11:46 AM
abdamurph abdamurph is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 90
Default First Hypoglecemic Event

Today on our walk Murphy had his first hypogylcemic event after 3 years of being diabetic, it was very scary. We only go for very short walks since he has heart disease also, but I noticed he started going really slowly and his legs started failing, it continued so I gave him the treats I had with me and then I called my neighbor to come pick us up. As soon as I got home tested him and his BG was 36 so I got out the syrup and give him a couple of tablespoons. That seemed to do the trick but I am keeping close watch of him today and will be testing throughout the day. I called Urgent Care and they said not to give him any insulin at all tonight so unless it's really high that is what I plan on doing. Will talk to Vet also tomorrow because he did eat all his food this morning and has been doing well so might need to lower his insulin dosage. Anyway just wanted to share. If anyone has any suggestions please send my way. Thx!
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 05-30-2016, 12:18 PM
jesse girl's Avatar
jesse girl jesse girl is offline
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 8,397
Default Re: First Hypoglecemic Event

Yes exercise and walks can be a time of most danger for our diabetic pups when insulin is active

the hope is to never have it happen again especially during a walk

the key is to always bring liquid sugar with you at all times . if testing blood sugar it might be a good idea to test before walk and after to see how the walk affects blood sugar

if low to start before walk you may need to boost it up . i always like giving jesse a spoonful of honey before we left that would give her about a half hour of immediate sugar supply

the other key is consistency giving the walk at the same time everyday with the same amount . also you would like to give the walk when insulin is weaker and less active curves can help with determining that

you may need a complete curve in a few days to see if a reduction is needed

i am not one to avoid insulin all together just because of the event if testing blood sugar at home . if you can get blood sugar up to a normal fasting number half the normal dose should be fine . if numbers look pretty good on the lower dose it may point to a lower dose maybe needed

as long as there no other symptoms present there will probably no need for any emergency care at the vet .
__________________
Jesse-26 lbs - 16 years old ,10.5 years diabetic, one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack . 3 shots of Novolin a day . Total insulin for a 24 hour period is 6.5 units of NPH insulin .
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 05-30-2016, 12:38 PM
abdamurph abdamurph is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 90
Default Re: First Hypoglecemic Event

Unfortunately the only time I can take him for a walk is in the morning before going to part time job, and it's always been consistent, everything in his routine has been consistent for the last 3 years. He never has had a problem before, first time in 3 years so I will just keep an eye on him, always have sugar treats with me in case this happens which I did this time. His numbers are still low just tested and at 79, if it doesn't go up substantially will not give him insulin tonight at all, not taking the chance of anything happening in the middle of the night and would rather have it on the high side than low side, much safer.
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 05-30-2016, 12:59 PM
Eddie's Avatar
Eddie Eddie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,210
Default Re: First Hypoglecemic Event

That must be very scary. It shows how valuable home testing is.

Eddie has a few times gone down to that sort of level (not exact as we use a human meter). What I find is that I almost always over correct by giving him honey, normal food, less insulin etc and he then ends up really quite high.
I have been trying not to do that so much lately so I am just giving honey and extra food but not reducing his insulin by more than about 1 unit (out of 13).

Another thing to mention just because we are definitely seeing it in Eddie now is that he needs less insulin in the summer months. He was until recently on 14.5 units but now he needs no more than 13 units and it is still dropping. We don't know if it is because we are all more active in the summer, or the temperature or some other factor. We have noticed this in past years too.

We can often guess when Eddie is getting low because he becomes very active and high energy, rushing around, playing with balls on his own and being very reluctant to settle down at all. This acts as useful advance warning so we are prompted to test and feed him if necessary. It only happens when he is about 8 or more hours after a meal. If we are going to be out at that time we either feed him a bit in advance or we get the dog sitter to give him a handful of kibble anyway just in case.

Hope Murphy's numbers settle down again.
Antonia
__________________
Eddie - Lab x golden retriever. Weighed 63lbs. Ate Canagan. Diagnosed October 2012. 13units of Caninsulin twice a day. Had EPI as well as diabetes. Died 20 June 2017. Loved forever.
Reply With Quote
  #116  
Old 05-30-2016, 01:45 PM
jesse girl's Avatar
jesse girl jesse girl is offline
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 8,397
Default Re: First Hypoglecemic Event

i go through times with jesse needing less insulin . gave her 3 units last night half of what her higher end dose would be and and extremely low dose for a 26 pound dog .

jesse has always been unpredictable with blood sugar it can be exhausting .

treats are fine to back up blood sugar but they have to be consumed and digested to produce the sugar . liquid sugar goes wright into the blood stream for an immediate affect this brings them back from the brink and then you back it up with some food that is highly digestible

you made a great decision to call your friend to pick you guys up

as far as what time to walk that doesn't matter as much as how you prepare before the walk. maybe testing blood sugar and give a bit of a boost in sugar before if needed . remember food takes a bit of time to digest and produce sugar where a liquid version does not and is out of the body in a half hour depending on the amount .

keep an eye on things . i think sometimes its possible the pancreas may temporarily produce insulin or the bodies stored sugar doesn't seem to work at times for a medical reason

very difficult to catch when things are going well .

hope things get back on track soon but dont hesitate to reduce the dose if needed. the walk may have just been a symptom to an overall reduction needed in the dose. the walk just brought it ahead and the reduction may need to be substantial
__________________
Jesse-26 lbs - 16 years old ,10.5 years diabetic, one meal a day homemade and a vitabone snack . 3 shots of Novolin a day . Total insulin for a 24 hour period is 6.5 units of NPH insulin .
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 05-30-2016, 03:56 PM
amydunn19's Avatar
amydunn19 amydunn19 is offline
Senior Member and Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 4,616
Default Re: First Hypoglecemic Event

You have been pretty lucky if this is the first time but I don't know how common events like that actually are - we have weathered quite a few with Maggie but she is kind of a wild card.

The first hour after a big low, Maggie doesn't typically rise much but by the end of the second hour, she goes back up pretty quickly. I base giving insulin on the current number and her pattern over the past few days. She has gone through strange periods of days of lows with no insulin given at all but most of the time, she still needs a small amount. I would reduce it most certainly.

Sounds like you handled it like a pro!
__________________
Maggie - 15 1/2 y/o JRT diagnosed 9/2007, Angel status on 6/20/16. Her mantra was never give up but her body couldn't keep up with her spirit. Someday, baby.......
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 05-30-2016, 04:41 PM
Judi's Avatar
Judi Judi is offline
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Northern MN
Posts: 5,280
Default Re: First Hypoglecemic Event

good catch. we had some scary lows with Jenny. her back legs would give out too. She was at 20 once and we went 24 hours without insulin. no problems.

I think Natalie said they used to grab syrup packets from fast food restaurants to take on walks just in case.

so glad you got in touch with your neighbor.

keep us posted. Judi
__________________
Jenny: 6/6/2000 - 11/10/2014 She lived with diabetes and cushings for 3 1/2 years. She was one of a kind and we miss her.
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 05-30-2016, 06:58 PM
abdamurph abdamurph is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 90
Default Re: First Hypoglecemic Event

Update: Murphy is doing fine, moving around well now and had no problem eating his dinner. I tested an hour after his meal and he is at 105 so I don't plan on giving him insulin unless the numbers go up significantly tonight. If he stays around 100 he really doesn't need any insulin anyway and I will retest in the morning to see how he is doing. I would much rather have high numbers for a day or two than real low numbers like he had this morning. Thanks for all your feedback!
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 06-29-2016, 10:18 AM
abdamurph abdamurph is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 90
Default Goodbye to My Murphy

We lost our fight with diabetes, heart disease and pancreatitis last night. My poor baby was struggling with his breathing so I rushed him to emergency, he was in heart failure so best thing was to put him 2 sleep. Even though I knew it was going to happen soon nothing prepares you for the devastation you feel. A light has gone off inside of me, even though I know he will always be in my heart.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:43 PM.


Disclaimer -- The content on this site is provided for informational and educational purposes only. While we make every effort to present information that is accurate and reliable, the views expressed here are not meant to be a substitute for the advice provided by a licensed veterinarian. Please consult with your veterinarian for specific advice concerning the medical condition or treatment of your pet and before administering any medication or pursuing any course of treatment that you may read about on this site.

The views and opinions expressed by contributors to this forum are strictly their own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and views of the owners, administrators, or moderators of this forum and the k9diabetes.com website.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2009, 2010 k9diabetes.com. All rights reserved.