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Old 11-24-2020, 01:18 AM
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Default Re: Pray for mochi..

Mochi was hospitalized today to get IV fluids. They gave him some strong pain killer thats an opioid called Buprenorphine. The ultrasound specialist ended up canceling on us last minute so now I have to bring him back to the vet tomorrow all over again. He seemed traumatized from today..he came home a totally different dog..he wouldn't even eat..He has been eating fine this morning and the days before and then once he came home from the vet he just didn't want to eat at all..i fed him the chicken treats he likes to eat and my dad hand fed him a couple spoons of the wet food. We ended up giving less insulin since he ate so little.
He didn't even want to go for a walk with us..

Mochi's never been like this before..so it worries me that taking him to the vet is destroying him even faster...

What do you guys usually do when your dogs wont eat?...Mochi is never a picky eater and he loves food...so we never had the problem with giving him food and insulin...do you guys give your dogs less insulin if they don't eat? or no insulin at all?
He has to be on a strict low fat diet because of his high triglycerides.
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Old 11-24-2020, 10:08 AM
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Default Re: Pray for mochi..

They can have between one quarter and one half of their normal insulin dose with no food.

Base how much you give on their blood sugar. If it's pretty high, you can likely safely give half the normal dose. If it's lower... under 300, start with one quarter of the dose and see what effect that has.

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Old 11-25-2020, 12:08 PM
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Default Re: Pray for mochi..

Pancreatitis is painful and when jesse had it she did not eat solid food for a week . She stayed on fluids till the end of her ten stay at hospital . In a way food is the enemy but others have a different approach

For me with jesse if she doesnt want to eat I do not force feed her . I have withheld food 24 hours on occasion from diarrhea , no appetite or just not feeling well

Its really not a big deal in the short term . Another factor is a dog can equate food to pain after the pancreas has healed so you don't want to have a negative experience with eating and have a picky eater afterwards . It can be a slow process so adjusting insulin to how much is consumed maybe needed
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:13 AM
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Default Re: mochi has severe pancreatitis

Mochi's pancreatitis is quite severe shown on the blood work. But he still is willing to eat his dinner. Mornings are the toughest..my dad has to hand feed him.
We've been injecting sub q fluids under Mochis skin now for the past 3 days but I heard Iv is a lot better. On Monday when he stayed at the vet all day he seemed very stressed...I dont want to keep him at the vet all day for so many days straight and its very expensive.

What do you think I should do with Mochi's case? It seems like his pancreas was slowly flarring up more and more since the beginning of November. After the hospital stay on Monday he doesn't show any interest in wanting to eat.. he was still eating fine right before being hospitalized.
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:30 PM
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Default Re: Pray for mochi..

My Phoenix (who was not a diabetic) had kidney failure and almost died from it as her creatinine levels got entirely too high. She had to be hospitalized for almost a week because the vet needed to flush out her kidneys and put her on intravenous fluids with medications, etc. trying to get her creatinine levels to drop.

When I brought her home, they had me give her 300 ml of sub q fluids with electrolytes once a day, and said she might live for 2 weeks, even on the fluids, as her creatinine levels were not coming down sufficiently for her kidneys to continue functioning.


However, she kept doing better and better as I gave her the daily sub q fluids. The vet was amazed. He told her that she’d made a liar out of him! Each week, I’d go in for bloodwork and her creatinine levels were lower. Her levels finally dropped to 2.3 and held there, and once a week visits to the vet for bloodwork became once a month or so. Since her kidneys were damaged, she still needed to be on the daily sub q fluids. If no one knew Phoenix was on fluids, they wouldn’t know anything was wrong with her as acted like her normal self again. She was able to have a wonderful quality life for almost a year more – months I will always be grateful for.

I know pancreatitis and kidney failure are totally different things, but my experience with giving Phoenix sub q fluids was the best thing I could have done for her. It kept me from having to continuously go to the vet for them to reset the intravenous catheter, which was traumatic. Giving sub q fluids was much easier to do at home and worked really well for us.

I hope Mochi feels better soon.
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Old 11-29-2020, 11:41 PM
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Thank you so much for the hope...I was told that iv is a lot better than sub q. But I asked my vet if I should bring him in for iv fluids and they said no since mochi doesn't seem like hes in a critical state even though his numbers are really high..

He threw up today after a fast walk because it started pouring rain on us..im so worried hes getting worse..he hasn't thrown up yet besides today...I dont understand what caused his pancreatitis..it seemed like it was building up and getting worse and worse since 2 or 3 weeks ago..and now hes lost interest in eating his breakfast..he only wants to eat chicken.. so my dad has to hand force feed him his dog food.. We've been injecting 60ml of fluids twice a day for him but it doesn't seem to be helping...today would be the 4th day he's on it..

Do you think I should just ask the vet to let him go on iv for 2 days and then continue on the sub q fluids after?

I'm still quite confused because he was still eating his meals fine until the day I brought him to the vet for iv on Monday. He has lost his appetite in the morning right after the hospitalization...
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Old 11-30-2020, 08:21 AM
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Some members said a specific type of food could cause pancreatitis for their dogs but in reality we truly dont know for sure like many things . Some dogs had pancreatitis that was chronic and happened quite a bit which helped in finding triggers that may cause it to flare up . Mochi may never see it again . Jesse only had it once I belive but who knows she could have had mild versions from time to time that could have been displayed by a loss of appetite that healed on its own
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:52 AM
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Mochi has had severe pancreatitis when he was first diagnosed in 2016..We knew what the cause was during that time because I drastically changed his diet to a raw diet which his stomach couldn't handle.

I'm just very confused to why it's happening again 4 years later..when we've been very consistent with his food and insulin. He's been eating the same low fat diet for 3 years almost which is why i find it so strange .

He threw up yesterday after he ate and we went for a walk..Seems like this pancreatitis isn't going away..

My old vet said he needs to go on iv for at least 2 straight days because it's a lot better than sub q..but my new vet said iv and sub q are very similiar..I'm just so confused..
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:30 PM
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Default Throwing up white slimey stuff...

Mochi seems to be doing worse..I thought he was slowly doing better during the weekend but things took a turn..he ended up throwing up last night and then this morning he threw up again but it was thick white slimey phlegm like..he seemed to be doing a bit better in the evening when we went for a walk..but when he went to bed earlier he threw up this white slime again..

Can anyone tell me what this is? We've been on 5 days of sub q fluids now and it doesn't seem to be making him any better.. he's also on pain meds, antibiotics and gas medication called omeprazole.

I'm starting to really worry...
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:37 PM
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Default Re: Pray for mochi..

They say if you had it once your prone to it again . Like I suggested it could be a mirror of things to set off the attack . It would be nice to know . Its possible Mochi got ahold of something not well for his digestion but its hard to say what that is .

Diabetics already have damaged a pancreas so it may not take much to flare up

My Jesse I believe had IV fluids while she was in hospital for 10 days

It may have took Jesse a month or longer to recover and she had a severe case

You have to watch the feeding . You may want something easy to digest and like a said I dont like force feeding and would like for a dog to naturally start eating again on their own .

Mochi should be fine but it can be a slow process to get back to normal
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