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Old 03-05-2016, 07:38 AM
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Default Re: Magoo is worse, don't know what to do.

it does usually take 5-7 days. keep an eye on his ketones that is the biggest deal. let us know how it goes and what the vet says.

when my Jenny was first diagnosed, after his first week on a pretty low insulin does her entire curve was in the 500's and 600's. she had cushings and took a long time to regulate. We were lucky she never threw off ketones. Just drank a lot of water and slept a lot.

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Old 03-05-2016, 12:44 PM
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Took him to the vet this morning. He did a mini curve with three tests and Magoo did come down into the 400's by about 9:15..about 2 hours after food and shot so he was going in the right direction. Vet says we just have to give this time and will do another curve next week. Thank God my vet is 5 min away and 24 hour emergency vet maybe 7 or 8. Does give me some sort of comfort to know there is help at hand if I need it. Still no ketones so that is really good. Thanks for all the help. It is so nice to have all of you experts to help.
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Old 03-06-2016, 02:26 AM
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Does anyone have any thoughts on how to handle time change with food and shots? We live in FL and his schedule is walk and food/shot. Cannot take him til it's light (too many critters) which means he will be an hour later next Sun. Do I gradually make the change? Any help appreciated.

ONE OTHER ? Can you use any other test strips with the Alpha Track 2?
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Old 03-06-2016, 04:58 AM
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Default Re: Magoo is worse, don't know what to do.

I used to worry more about time changes than I do now. We can't always do an exact 12/12 hour schedule and Eddie seems to cope ok with up to an hour's variation.
When the clocks change I consciously try to move his mealtimes by around 15mins each day to move to the new time but I don't fret if we can't be exact. I don't think our regulation is so precise that it makes a significant difference.

Sorry - no idea about test strips but Craig will probably be along in a bit and it is his specialist subject!

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Old 03-06-2016, 06:11 AM
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Hello magoos mom,
I do the same as Eddie,i change about 15 mins for a few days.i also dont worry to much,but do take like 2 to 3 days before the transition so on the change day,I'm close to on track...
Yes,I'm sure craig will jump in,but i think its freestyle lite strips you can use with Alphatrak2, but you change code to 6 I believe,but wait for Craig,lol.he is the meter master.
Question???? You walk your pup in the morning before test,food,and insulin????? I would be leary of that!!!
Just wondering..
Also, you can use human meter.just adjust readings as human meter reads dogs bg lower than Alphatrak2. I use relion confirm meter and strips from walmart...MUCH cheaper and work fine once you know adjustments. .
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:07 AM
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Default Re: Magoo is worse, don't know what to do.

for jesse i just spring forward her schedule by a half hour so for the morning shot instead of getting it at 7 in winter she gets it at 7:30 in spring

i also would recommend getting a human meter the one touch ultra has a good track record but i use a discount meter that compared very well to that meter .the only problem with the one touch is the larger blood sample thats needed

so you can get any human meter if you want and compare but remember at higher levels meters can be quite a bit off and thats with any meter including a pet one

for me its consistency if i make a test and then do another one immediately after and its close to the same thats a positive . if i get mish mosh of numbers that dont make no sense there is problem but many times its user error they all seem to have some sensitivity to the process of sucking up blood and the amount

sometimes it can be difficult going back and forth between 2 different meters as it can be a bit uncomfortable so its best to pick a meter and stick with it for most of the tests
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Old 03-06-2016, 11:14 AM
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Here's what I wrote a couple of months ago concerning using FreeStyle LITE test strips in the AlphaTrak meter. FreeStyle LITE test strips are pretty expensive at local pharmacies, but are better priced online.

The following works for me, but please do your own comparisons.

"FreeStyle LIte test strips in the AlphaTrak meter

Some of us use FreeStyle Lite strips in the AlphaTrak meter to save a little money. Both the FreeStyle Lite and AlphaTrak strips are made by Abbott and look identical. I wouldn't be surprised if they came off the same machine and were just packed into different boxes.

The difference is that the AlphaTrak strips have several "code" numbers listed on the strip container for different types of animals (dogs, cats, horses, etc. each have different codes) because of differences in their blood. The FreeStyle Lite strips are only sold for FreeStyle Lite Series meters and have a single code number for human blood (Actually, I think modern FreeStyle Series meters are auto-coding and you can't even change the code number on the meter).

The trick is to determine what code number should be inserted into the AlphaTrak meter for a box of FreeStyle Lite test strips.

My procedure is to use the small vial of control solution that came in the AlphaTrak kit. Use a true AlphaTrak test strip, code set per the strip container, and use the control solution as imitation blood, note the reading. For example, let's say the AlphaTrak strip + control solution read 150.

Insert a FreeStyle Lite strip, for the first test leave the code set to whatever you used with the AlphaTrak strip, and test again using the control solution. If this test results in a reading within 4-5 points (145-155ish in my example) you are good to go! Unfortunately, most times the above test will be more than 5 points off. If the numbers are off by 6-8, it would be your choice, probably not enough to worry about. If more than 8 points off, you might want to do more testing.

After lots of testing / comparing, code 5 or 6 seem to be best for me. I would insert a FreeStyle Lite strip, change the code to 5, and test with the control solution. If off by more than about 5 points, test again using code 6. Hopefully, either code 5, 6, or the number that was on the AlphaTrak strips will be close enough. I forgot to mention that I ignore the code printed on the FreeStyle Lite container because that number would be used with human blood.

Of course, this may change from box to box. I usually buy three boxes of FreeStyle Lite strips at a time and hope they send me three boxes with the same batch number.

Of course Abbott will tell you to use only the high cost AlphaTrak test strips. Do your own testing, don't rely on my testing / recommendations :-)"

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Old 03-06-2016, 11:48 AM
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Having said what I did about FreeStyle LITE strips in the AlphaTrak meter, I generally use a low cost human meter (either the Walmart Relion Prime, or Relion Confirm) for day-to-day testing. The test strips for the Walmart Relion Prime are only 18 cents each. Yes, there will be an "error", but probably close enough in the desired lower 100 range.

I use to worry about the time change, and the few times when we wouldn't be home at EXACTLY the normal meal / injection time. I don't worry about it anymore. Annie seems to recover from my "mistakes" within the next day.

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Old 03-06-2016, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: Magoo is worse, don't know what to do.

Thank you everyone for your great advice and information. Still getting used to all this (again). Magoo is still running really high. Vet wants to take it slow and I understand that. Still no ketones so that is great. Work in process. I did buy the Alpha Track 2 so thanks for the info on the strips. I have wasted so many trying to learn to do the testing. Some days better than others but he is hungry, active most of the time, pooping good, still stealing stuff (anything he can get, Kleenex, trash bag, etc.) for a cookie exchange, and still barking at everything in sight so I think we are pretty good. Just wish I could get these numbers down faster...it really scares me to death. Trying not to panic every time I do a test. You are all a great help! SO many thanks!

One other note, Stylynjm mentioned that walk, food, shot may not be a good idea. Magoo is still running so high I had not thought of the exercise possibly reducing the sugar. Should I feed him first? Not sure what to do.

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Old 03-06-2016, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: Magoo is worse, don't know what to do.

with jesse i exercise her when insulin appears to be at its weakest for jesse thats before food and insulin but of coarse every dog is different . weak i consider not dropping much during exercise

another thing for jesse i need to stay consistent with her walks same time and amount everyday so not to disrupt her balance
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