Nike and Kenai

[ventilate]

Thanks Scott;
S

[Wylie's Mom]

We should replace this smiley face with your new avatar.
-Susy

[ventilate]

thanks to whom ever put Nikes pic as my avatar. I tried and could not do it.
S,N and K

[forscooter]

Hi there....

I am back...and checking on the Land of Giants! I hope Kenai is feeling better! How is he tolerating the drops? Don't mind me if I missed it bc I am almost blurry-eyed I am so tired right now. I'll have to come back and catch up more but couldn't leave without popping in on my favoritest Giant woman!!

I was going to email you but then found you here! Don't you feel so refreshed now being a "junior"? LOL.... Kinda like when Scott got ID'd trying to buy some alcohol as I recall.....

Love ya, Beth, Bailey and always Scoobers

[ventilate]

Thanks Beth;
It was almost the land of GianT this am; It must be something in the air, I read your post about dog bite season. Demon spawn, yes it is back to DS had a temporary lapse in judgement but he claims it was temporary insanity but I give him and Nike a kong with frozen peanut butter and cookies and a marrow bone with cream cheeze and a cookie frozen in it to keep them busy for a while when I work. So he had his and as I walked by him to leave for work at 0530 he lost his stinken mind and he growled at me. Well Ceasar learned me good I tossed my stuff down on the floor. I got on my hands and knees and grabbed his neck in that dog bite thing he does and leaned over him, and switched hands and kept the dog bite thing going on his neck and switched hands and kept the dog bite thing going and going and going finally after 15 minutes ( it never takes Ceasar that long) I had to leave for work and my hands were cramping, every time I would loosen my dog bite grip thing he would do a little growl so after 15 minutes i slightly loosened it and he didnt growl so I took that as success and let him up. At times like this I wish he was a yorkie.
We are going to have a real come to Jesus meeting on Monday when i am not working and can take how long it takes to get him to relax, and give it up. He goes though this about 3 or 4 times a year where he forgets he is not the the King and we do this. I can take food out of his mouth, I can put my hand in his food dish when he is eating and he eats around it and will give me anything he has in his mouth if I ask for it, It just seems like when he is on his bed with his treats and I am leaving for work he gets very possessive of his toys/treats. I am not scared of him when he does that, but I do keep my face back when I am doing things like that. If he thinks I am scared I will never get control of him again, he is 115 lbs and I would be in big trouble then. We usually go through this he and I come to an understanding and all is good for the next few months.
So at work today the doc ordered an MRI on a patient and I told him the pt would to tolerate the MRI vent we have ( it is an antiquated piece of crap) as his vent setting were to high for the vent to handle. He said sounds like you will have to manually ventilate him. ( which for those of you who do not know is like the dog bite thing, 14 times in a minute for about an hr or more) oh yea sounds like a party to me. Good thing he was just bugging me.
I am wondering if Nike isnt addisons. Her legs will get weak, I give her pred for a few days, 2.5 or 5 mg per day for 3 or 4 days then she is good for a week or 10 day and then it happens again, but it hasnt been really nice and warm yet so maybe its the cool, damp weather. She is eating great and drinking a bit more too so dont know. I know the only way to know is stim, I am planning on it the end of May first part of June.
For those of you that dont know, I am treating Nike with the Sharon protocol. I, like Beth, am treating her symptoms. I am treating her for comfort now as she is 12 and a half years old Giant breed and has already outlived her expectancy. For the past year and half I have been giving her lysodren when she looks to me like her levels are getting higher per water uptake, eating, legs weak just that I know her best stuff. It has worked great for us. Her labs have been great her Alk/Phos has been normal for the last year and half, she grabbed the foot wiping, beard wiping rag off the floor this am and had Kenai tugging with her so obviously is feeling good.
Sorry for the book
Hugs to all from me and mine and demon spawn ( good thing I love him or his hide would be on my wall instead of on his back)
S,N and K

[barney's mom]

Originally Posted by ventilate

Thanks Beth;
It was almost the land of GianT this am; It must be something in the air, I read your post about dog bite season. Demon spawn, yes it is back to DS had a temporary lapse in judgement but he claims it was temporary insanity but I give him and Nike a kong with frozen peanut butter and cookies and a marrow bone with cream cheeze and a cookie frozen in it to keep them busy for a while when I work. So he had his and as I walked by him to leave for work at 0530 he lost his stinken mind and he growled at me. Well Ceasar learned me good I tossed my stuff down on the floor. I got on my hands and knees and grabbed his neck in that dog bite thing he does and leaned over him, and switched hands and kept the dog bite thing going on his neck and switched hands and kept the dog bite thing going and going and going finally after 15 minutes ( it never takes Ceasar that long) I had to leave for work and my hands were cramping, every time I would loosen my dog bite grip thing he would do a little growl so after 15 minutes i slightly loosened it and he didnt growl so I took that as success and let him up. At times like this I wish he was a yorkie. We are going to have a real come to Jesus meeting on Monday when i am not working and can take how long it takes to get him to relax, and give it up. He goes though this about 3 or 4 times a year where he forgets he is not the the King and we do this. I can take food out of his mouth, I can put my hand in his food dish when he is eating and he eats around it and will give me anything he has in his mouth if I ask for it, It just seems like when he is on his bed with his treats and I am leaving for work he gets very possessive of his toys/treats. I am not scared of him when he does that, but I do keep my face back when I am doing things like that. If he thinks I am scared I will never get control of him again, he is 115 lbs and I would be in big trouble then. We usually go through this he and I come to an understanding and all is good for the next few months.
So at work today the doc ordered an MRI on a patient and I told him the pt would to tolerate the MRI vent we have ( it is an antiquated piece of crap) as his vent setting were to high for the vent to handle. He said sounds like you will have to manually ventilate him. ( which for those of you who do not know is like the dog bite thing, 14 times in a minute for about an hr or more) oh yea sounds like a party to me. Good thing he was just bugging me. I am wondering if Nike isnt addisons. Her legs will get weak, I give her pred for a few days, 2.5 or 5 mg per day for 3 or 4 days then she is good for a week or 10 day and then it happens again, but it hasnt been really nice and warm yet so maybe its the cool, damp weather. She is eating great and drinking a bit more too so dont know. I know the only way to know is stim, I am planning on it the end of May first part of June.
For those of you that dont know, I am treating Nike with the Sharon protocol. I, like Beth, am treating her symptoms. I am treating her for comfort now as she is 12 and a half years old Giant breed and has already outlived her expectancy. For the past year and half I have been giving her lysodren when she looks to me like her levels are getting higher per water uptake, eating, legs weak just that I know her best stuff. It has worked great for us. Her labs have been great her Alk/Phos has been normal for the last year and half, she grabbed the foot wiping, beard wiping rag off the floor this am and had Kenai tugging with her so obviously is feeling good.
Sorry for the book
Hugs to all from me and mine and demon spawn ( good thing I love him or his hide would be on my wall instead of on his back)
S,N and K

OMG I can so relate!!!!!!!!!!!!! That has been my reality! Once we took a patient to CT scan and the patients sheet got stuck in the table mechanism that moves the table out of the machine. He was a biiig guy and not anywhere near where we could maneuver him back into the bed. It took us an hour to get him out! I thought my hand would break from bagging! Oooh the cramps! Even switching hands! ROFL!!!!!

PS.... I have little dog fantasies all the time, but there is nothing like a huge dog in your lap giving you kisses.

[we3dogs]

Hi Sharon - I guess it's strength in numbers - I too have been treating Angel by her symptoms since November like you and Beth are doing. Sometimes we just know better! Take care - Joyce & the girlz - Pebbles & Angel

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I want to explain the reason I am treating Nike this way is because she is a very geriatric Giant Schnauzer 12 and a half years old and when she had her ultrasound her innerds were all in great shape so if her cortisol does run a bit higher I dont believe she will live long enough for it to do the damage that higher cortisol can do. We, my vet and I, have switched from treating her theraputically to treating her symptomatically for her comfort, not for mine. If her cortisol level has to be higher to keep her comfortable than so be it. I know in my head she will not live forever, although my heart hopes she will be the miricle dog the one in a million that she has proven her self to be and live for 20 years so I want her time left with me to be comfortable and pain free. And so far we have seemd to achieve that as she sure cant be hurting at 0500 when she brings me her toy to play with or chases a rabbit across the yard. That is not to say I will not get her stimed in June, and treat the numbers, cautiously so as not to upset the apple cart.
I just wanted to clarify why we are treating this way, I do not want new people to think this is a good way to treat cushings. We are over 3 year survivors of Cushings and I have learned way more than I ever wanted to about this condition and know my dog very well. When my dog was younger we went by the protocol, both in treatment and in the testing to keep her levels within the desired theraputic range, and if I ever have another dog with cushings I will follow the tried and proven protocols as it has gotten Nike and me this far

Sharon

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by ventilate

although my heart hopes she will be the miricle dog the one in a million that she has proven her self to be and live for 20 years

We're hoping with you!

Geez, I was only hoping for 18years for Wylie.
(I had met someone who said she had a Malamute that lived to 18.)

-Susy

[forscooter]

Thanks, Sharon...bc I worry about that too! These are cases of do as I say and not as I do. I also treat Bailey by symptoms bc he has other issues I am trying to keep controlled. Being almost 10, he is considered geriatric as a basset. And until I felt I had a better handle on him than anyone including my vet, I would never ever have done it this way. But I would never ever recommend someone play with the protocol. It is the way it is for VERY GOOD reasons.

As for the being 20, I have faith! I think HRH is definitely up to the challenge!!! How many times has she surprised us before???

Love ya! Beth and you know the gang