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    So our whole trip was a research venture, following up on genealogy work we have been doing on my husband's family. Much of this trip was focused on his great grandfather and great great grandfather and grandmother. This extended family all left Missouri in 1865 and went to northeastern Oregon when it was still pretty rough country. In fact, they were there in plenty of time for the "Indian Wars" of 1878 and his great grandfather's property was involved in some battles.

    Noone still living knew where this great grandfather had gone after he and Jeff's great grandmother split up in 1885. With some luck, we were able to find that he and the rest of the extended family moved to Idaho and that they are buried there. His great great grandfather and grandmother are buried in Moscow, Idaho, and his great grandfather is buried in an unmarked grave in a cemetery in Melrose, just 30 miles away.

    Melrose doesn't exist anymore but the cemetery remains and we had been in touch with a lovely woman there who maintains it. She confirmed his burial there and said there was no marker of any kind. So we arranged for a small marker to be made in a town nearby and then we met her at the cemetery while we were there and laid the monument in the ground over his grave.

    Then, with a little more detective work and some incredible luck, we were able to find the person who owns the land that belonged to Jeff's great grandfather in the 1880s near Pilot Rock, Oregon. He put us in touch with another wonderful person whose entire family lived in that area in the 1880s and actually owned land in and around Jeff's great grandfather's and his daughter's land. The land is part of a gated cattle ranch now and they took us up and gave us a personal tour of the whole area and told us all kinds of history of their family and the area.

    We had hoped to see the land but once found it gated thought it wouldn't happen. But then we found a name of the owner and then an address and we just took a shot that he still lived there. Showed up at his door!

    So it was pretty amazing.

    Thanks to the cemetery, we learned the married last name of one of Jeff's great grandfather's daughters who had disappeared from the record. We were able to get her marriage record from the Umatilla County recorder, along with a bunch of other records!, and got her husband's first name. Their name is attached to a piece of the property we toured.

    We also learned for sure what happened to five of the great grandfather's children. They were all buried there with their mother and died between 1874 and 1879, mostly most likely in the diphtheria epidemic that swept through that country at the time.

    We took a ton of pictures, dozens of copies of old records from three different county seats and an incredible history society in Moscow, and lots of GPS readings. We have so much information it will probably take us a year to sort it all out!!

    Did more driving than we originally planned as the steps to the tour of the land unfolded. Covered about 2,300 miles altogether in seven days through Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Nevada. Much of the land the family owned in the 1880s through the 1900s is really beautiful. Timbered with tall white pine stands separated by camas meadows. One of the things we were trying to locate was a sawmill that operated on or near the great grandfather's land near Pilot Rock, Oregon and the couple who took us out there showed us where an old saw mill had been. The original was burned by the Indians in 1878.

    Will post a picture or two later...

    Natalie

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    Hi Natalie,
    Interesting stuff......you don't realy realize how many people have been here before you!! And than finding out what they have been doing, where and how they lived and died!! Yes, because of them, we are now here!!!
    Marion

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    • #3
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      Sounds like ya'll had a blast That is a lot of driving Bet you are happy to be out of the car. Hopefully you got out a lot and stretched Glad you had a good time You and your husband needed it for sure Waiting to see your pics!!!
      Marianne and canines: Jasmine( diabetic since 4/10) Puma,Harley,Sebastian,Sophie and cats: Yoda,Sabrina and Cleo. Also Baby Boy (my cockatiel) & Angel Pebbles

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        Natalie, your trip sounds fantastic and so very rewarding!
        We used to live in Washington, the area was called the tri-cities... it is beautiful out there! We actually were living out there when Mt St Helens errupted (all 3 of them.

        I will share that I was adopted and this past Christmas I found my birth mother -- it has been very rewarding - for both of us. She has given me my birth fathers name so I have been trying to do a search. So far all I have is lots of names and maybes so I can appreciate how thrilled you must be to fill in the blanks! You never know where your journey will take you - congratulations.

        Debbie and Apollo
        Apollo -13.2 lbs. Since 12/24/06. Vetsulin - 7.0 units 2x's a day. Royal Canin-Digestive Low Fat LF dry & canned. Chlorestoral meds once a day. Fish Oil 2x's a day. Potassium Citrate Granules for bladder stones.

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        • #5
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          Glad you had a good trip and learned so much. Seeing those places and now having those images in your heads are priceless!

          What has made you two want to research his family like this? I guess I've always known a lot about my ancestry and someone on both sides of the family have already done the geneology thing for us so....but I love mysteries and learning things so maybe I am missing out!

          How is Gus doing?
          Denise, Bogie (diabetic, cushings, now cancer), Molly (diabetic)
          Reba (Cushings) and the other 12 cats and 4 dogs.

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            The folks who gave us the tour asked me the same question...

            My husband started the process over a year ago, I think because his father and one aunt on his mother's side are all that's left of that generation of his family. What they know is not long from passing from this world. No one had ever done any of this kind of history or work before and much of the information has been lost.

            For example, we might have a picture of Jeff's great grandmother, the one married to the man whose grave we marked. But no one alive that we know can say if that is her or not. We have two clues - a family story says she wore her hair in ringlets, which was quite unusual for a woman her age. She's at the family farm and the woman in the picture is about the right age for the time. But Jeff's father was just a baby when she passed away so doesn't know what she looked like.

            We are hoping to find out from a relative of her family, whose family has done a lot of genealogy and oral history research. She may recognize her or have a picture of her.

            I LOVE the puzzle/mystery aspect of it.

            I spent a couple of hours last night trying to find the husband of Jeff's great aunt Martha. We learned his name on the trip but then couldn't find him anywhere in the censuses. So I dug around last night figuring they had children... they were only married from 1889 to 1895, when Martha died, probably in childbirth. It seemed unlikely at that time for her to have had her first child six years after marrying...

            Found a guy whose last name is variant spelling who has children born in the right area at the right time and was widowed in 1900. First child has the same name as her father and second child has her sister's first name... so it's a stretch but I think that might be him. Trick is finding a way to prove it.

            It's a lot of fun. Plus I love maps.

            Natalie

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            • #7
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              Debbie,

              How exciting for you!!!! Congratulations!!!!

              Finding living people is something I really don't know how to do. How do you sort out who is who and who are likely candidates?

              I've been told that the Salvation Army... I think that's it... will locate people for you in cases like this. Let me go find the email and I'll send the information to you. I know someone whose family member used it to find a birth parent.

              Natalie

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              • #8
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                Thank you -- my 'mother' is thrilled -- I am very happy I was able to give her some peace about having to give me up -- she has really been good about telling friends, and family about me -- no more a dark family secret!

                I have a name and town for my birth father, but it's from when I was conceived. -- it is a fairly common name so that makes it harder.
                He may be deceased, really have no way of knowing. I wish I could get to a public library on Long Island from what I have read that would be a good place to look. I have the address of the local area library and I am going to try and write them and see if they might do some looking for me.

                I never thought of going through the Salvation Army! I look forward to to hearing from you thank you!

                Do you belong to any of the web sites like reunion.com? I have been skeptical that they are worth all they ask for.

                bye for now
                Debbie and Apollo
                Apollo -13.2 lbs. Since 12/24/06. Vetsulin - 7.0 units 2x's a day. Royal Canin-Digestive Low Fat LF dry & canned. Chlorestoral meds once a day. Fish Oil 2x's a day. Potassium Citrate Granules for bladder stones.

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                • #9
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                  Our small town library has an extensive geneology room, I'd think you would have access to something even larger?

                  DH's side of the family couldn't figure out much of anything for the longest time until they realized that at Ellis Island the Jantis name was written as Yantis and they have been Yantis's ever since!

                  Sounds like a fun hobby!
                  Denise, Bogie (diabetic, cushings, now cancer), Molly (diabetic)
                  Reba (Cushings) and the other 12 cats and 4 dogs.

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                    Debbie,

                    What a wonderful story about your reunion with your foster sister!

                    I haven't tried any websites to find living family members... though there are a few we would like to track down. We use Ancestry.com heavily for prior generations and also land patent records since much of Jeff's family in Oregon and Idaho received homesteads.

                    We made a lot of great connections on our trip.

                    We have it easier I think, though, cuz we're looking for people in Oregon, Idaho, and Washington in the 1880s to 1920s - not real populated areas at the time!

                    The prior generations throughout my family are all fairly recent immigrants. I think nearly all of my great grandparents were born outside the U.S. I haven't done much work on them because I don't have much of any records to use - they are all back in Montana. I find the domestic research more fun as so much of it is available online.

                    Natalie

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                    • #11
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                      I so glad you got to see Oregon, I miss it so much Nat, did you go thru Bend or Prineville or were you more east towards Burns or Joseph?

                      I did my tree years ago gee about 30 yrs ago, i look on the ancestry board when I get an email (i don't pay for it), funny how the name spellings got changed.
                      Dolly & Niki passed 2010, 45 lb Border Collie Mix 8 yrs as diabetic, 13yrs old. Blind N 10.5 U 2 X * Dog is God spelled backwards*If there are no dogs in Heaven then when I die I want to go where they went. Niki's food Orijen & Turkey & Gr. Beans, See you at the bridge my beloved & cherished Niki, I miss you everyday

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                        We went up through Burns, spent a night in Prairie City (does that sound like a TV western town or what?!?!?), and then were mostly in the Pilot Rock area, just south of Pendleton. My husband's great grandfather lived southeast of Pilot Rock up in the mountains between there and what was Albee and his land was the site of a major battle during the Indian War of 1878.

                        Years ago my sister and I took a trip through Joseph. The lake there is the most incredible textbook definition of glacial geology. You could skip the class and just take a trip there and learn it all.

                        Isn't it weird Dolly how fluid names used to be? I wouldn't think of just changing the spelling of my name but people in the 1800s did it all the time! Sure makes the research more challenging! I get really caught up in the search, the detective work and stringing together little clues.

                        Natalie

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                        • #13
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                          I loved Joseph, I could not get over the really dark purple lilacs, I have never seen them since.

                          Yes it is fun the detective work, I had to call up some of great aunts who now have passed, and cousins etc i didn't even know and explain who I was from grandma down.

                          But when I did it back then the library had all the death notices on microfilm what a job that was looking things up, i must hav spent a week at the library, but thats where I was able to get all the relatives names as far back as i could.

                          Oh I am Irish and German, Irish side is County Mayo and County Cork, I can't think of the German town right now but my great grandfather is buried in a cemetary over there.
                          Dolly & Niki passed 2010, 45 lb Border Collie Mix 8 yrs as diabetic, 13yrs old. Blind N 10.5 U 2 X * Dog is God spelled backwards*If there are no dogs in Heaven then when I die I want to go where they went. Niki's food Orijen & Turkey & Gr. Beans, See you at the bridge my beloved & cherished Niki, I miss you everyday

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                            Nobody in my family is long off the boat. I think nearly all of my great grandparents were born elsewhere - some Scot/Irish, German, and Czech and one who was all mixed up before they got here... some French, not sure what all is mixed in there.

                            That's one of the fun things about Jeff's family - his families have all been here in the U.S. since at least the 1700s.

                            I don't know that I would have wanted to do this stuff pre-internet. It's really cool to see new stuff coming online every day. Much of Jeff's family came from Missouri and they have recently opened up an incredible digital archive.

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                              well i am at a dead end on the irish side i have a great great uncle who came here with my great great grandmother but then went back, i went to Ireland years ago I was on a tour, but ripped all the names out of the phone book and wrote to everyone, never got any replies. Maybe someday, I know he had to have married, most Irishmen do.

                              I hope to get back to Ireland, but i'd bet it has changed over the past 20 yrs more citified now, maybe someday..
                              Dolly & Niki passed 2010, 45 lb Border Collie Mix 8 yrs as diabetic, 13yrs old. Blind N 10.5 U 2 X * Dog is God spelled backwards*If there are no dogs in Heaven then when I die I want to go where they went. Niki's food Orijen & Turkey & Gr. Beans, See you at the bridge my beloved & cherished Niki, I miss you everyday

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