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  • Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's-Lady Has Gone to the Bridge

    Lady is a Jack Russell Terrier who was 8 yrs old when she was dx with cushing's in Sept. 06. She was also diabetic at that time but the vet that was treating her missed the diabetes. Her story begins in May 06 when she started with what sounded like congestion. She was put on antibiotics and a steroid but the congestion wasn't going away. The vet thought maybe it was coming from her teeth - she had a lot of plaque. Routine blood work on the day of the cleaning showed her alk/phos was so high they couldn't measure it and the alt was also high. Vet said she might have cushing's. Lady had to have 11 teeth pulled that day and it took awhile for her mouth to heal. The congestion continued - she had been gaining weight - had a pot belly - could no longer jump on the furniture - and had a sore on her front paw that she would constantly lick. In Sept. she started drinking a lot of water and was having accidents in the house. She had an acth test done that showed she had cushing's. More blood work was done and they still couldn't measure her alk/phos and her alt was even higher. Also her bg was 413. When I questioned the vet about it he said it was from the cushing's. She was started on lysodren for the cushing's and after 2 1/2 days on it she became very sick. She started vomiting so vet had us stop the lyso and give her prednisone. We took her in to have her electrolytes checked and they were fine. The next day she had more vomiting and bloody diarrhea. Took her right to the vet's The vet who saw her that day dx her with diabetes - her bg was 450 - she also had a large amount of ketones. She weighed 15.08 lbs down from 17.48 lbs in the beginning of Sept. She was put on 3 units of Humulin N. We were devistated, worried and scared. I couldn't stop crying - was so scared we were going to lose her. Vet told us we had to get the diabetes under control first - she wasn't sure that Lady even had cushing's - said unregulated diabetes could give false positive on acth test and Lady had been on prednisone that summer. We could not get her bg's down - had to keep increasing the insulin. She was going for curves every couple of weeks. She continued to loose weight and in January 07 she was on 10 units of Humulin N and weighed 14 lbs. She was not herself. You could see just by looking at her how awful she felt. Would just lay in her bed all the time. She was retested for cushing's and all tests were positive. Her vet wanted us to see an IMS - she told us she had treated many patients with cushing's and many with diabetes but never a dog that had both diseases. The IMS said her physical exam was suspicious for cushing's - thinning of fur and flaky skin - pot bellied apperance. He said it was difficult to make the dx of cushing's because in July the blood abnormalities could have been from the steroid usage and in Sept. when she was tested for cushing's she was diabetic. Diabetes can cause similar liver enzyme and cholesterol elevation and can also lead to false positive cushing's tests. She also had an abdominal ultrasound done which did not reveal evidence of adrenal gland enlargement. He wanted us to switch the insulin to Vetsulin and if she requires dose escalation in the range to suggest insulin resistance we would then treat her for cushing's. She was started on Vetsulin and we had to keep increasing the dose. She was on 10 units twice daily and now weighed 13 lbs. We switched back to humulin N and her dose was back up to 10 units twice a day - she was still unregulated. IMS wanted to start treating the cushing's and she was put on 60 mgs of trilostane and he had us reduce the insulin to 7 units because he anticipated the insulin needs would decrease as we treated the cushing's. After 2 days on the trilo she started vomiting. I thought oh no! here we go again. We stopped the trilo for a couple of weeks and then restarted at a lower dose - 30 mgs. and she did fine. Firtst acth test was done after 10 days on the trilo and her cortisol was coming down but her curve showed her diabetes still unregulated. We had to increase the insulin again - she ended up being on 11 units 2x's a day. After being on the trilo for a few more weeks I did a spot check on her and was shocked to see a reading in the 100's. We reduced the insulin but a few days later she started vomiting and when I checked her the bg was only 70. Gave her something to eat and rushed her to the vet's. Bg had come back up by then so the insulin was reduced to 5 units 2x's a day. This all happened at the end of May 07 and she's been on the same dose since then. It wasn't until June that she really started having good bg's. Her trilo has been adjusted after her acth tests. At one point she was up to 120 mgs. but has been reduced since.

    Today her cushing's and diabetes are both under control. It took us a long time to get where we are today but she is back to being the little terrier she was before all this started. There are still somethings she can't do - like jump up on the furniture - but she does try. She is very happy, alert and full of energy. She is on 30 mgs of trilostane, 5 units of Humulin 2x's a day, fish oil, pet vitamin and cosequin. I also home cook for her and she finally gained some weight. I hope Lady's story can offer hope to all those just starting out on this journey. I'm sure Lady would of never made it if it wasn't for the wonderful vet and IMS who take care of her. Also the wonderful, caring people on the cushing's and diabetes board who have helped us along our way. Hugs to all.
    Last edited by ladysmom06; 03-28-2008, 06:43 AM.
    Luv,

    Lynne and Angel Lady 7/98-3/09 Forever in my heart

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    Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

    Hi Lynne,
    Lady has had a really tough time. It seems strange when you put it all in words and read it back and realise your actually made it through. I can see the smile as you were ending as it worked out fine. You have done such a great job with Lady and she is here and happy because of you. Well done.
    Jenny & Buddy

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    • #3
      Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

      Hey Lynne and Jenny I bet you got some grey hairs with Lady Pebbles is making my hair all grey!!! Stress and worry. Hope I can say that I have pebbles regulated. I am almost there!!! Just wish Pebbles hair would grow in!
      Marianne and canines: Jasmine( diabetic since 4/10) Puma,Harley,Sebastian,Sophie and cats: Yoda,Sabrina and Cleo. Also Baby Boy (my cockatiel) & Angel Pebbles

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      • #4
        Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

        Boy what bad ride you had for you and Lady, I'm so glad things are better.

        My other dog has cushings, i decided not to go with treatment, after the 1 drug and his vomiting I could not go thru with it, anyway he's had cushings for 2 yrs now, still doing good, he is 14 now.

        He did lose hair at first, but it did grow back, he also got those raised little bumps, but they all left except 3 on his hind leg

        I'm happy for you
        Dolly & Niki passed 2010, 45 lb Border Collie Mix 8 yrs as diabetic, 13yrs old. Blind N 10.5 U 2 X * Dog is God spelled backwards*If there are no dogs in Heaven then when I die I want to go where they went. Niki's food Orijen & Turkey & Gr. Beans, See you at the bridge my beloved & cherished Niki, I miss you everyday

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        • #5
          Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

          Hi Lynne,

          I enjoyed reading Lady's (and your) bio! It is an inspiration. I wish that Kiska was doing better, but she has just been on Atypcial Cushing's treatment for one and a half months, and on insulin since March 3. It seems like soooo much longer! You and Lady give us hope, though! Thanks!

          Jeanne and Kiska

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          • #6
            Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

            Lynne, Lady's story is an inspiration to everyone who has a baby with diabetes or Cushings...you are like a lot of the rest of us. I bet we are all stubborn as mules...just not a whole lot of giving up in any of us. I know you feel that Lady wouldn't be here today without her wonderful vet, but I know she wouldn't be here today without you. God bless you.

            Love and hugs, Teresa and Ricky

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            • #7
              Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

              Hi all,

              Thanks for all the kind replies. I never thought we would be able to get Lady's diabetes and cushing's under control. We had a lot of setbacks along the way but thankfully everything worked out.

              I have a question - how long is a bottle of insulin good for? I remember reading somewhere that you should only use it for so long. Lady only gets 5 units 2 x's a day so a bottle last awhile. She has been having good bg's but the other day I did a spot check on her and she was 347 - that was about 11 hrs. after insulin. At that time she is usually around 140 something. Don't know if she got into something or if it was the insulin. I had about 1/4 of the bottle left. I bought a new bottle and have been doing a curve today and so far her #'s are where they usually are. I always write in her journal when I start a new bottle of insulin but for some reason this last time I didn't. TIA. Hugs to all.
              Luv,

              Lynne and Angel Lady 7/98-3/09 Forever in my heart

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              • #8
                Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

                Hi all,

                Can someone tell me how long I should use a bottle of insulin? I did start a new bottle on Monday night. The curve I did on Lady was really good on Tuesday. The highest was 219 - 2 hrs. after food and insulin. That # was better than the last curve I did 2 wks before when it was 291. Natalie I talked to you before about that morning # and I didn't change a thing and it was lower this time - can't figure that one out. The rest of the day she was in the 100's. I still don't know if that high reading on Sunday was from the insulin being to old or if she got into something on one of our walks. Hugs to all.
                Luv,

                Lynne and Angel Lady 7/98-3/09 Forever in my heart

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                • #9
                  Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

                  Hi Lynne,

                  When I first started Kiska on insulin, the pharmacy tech at Walmart told me that an opened bottle was good for six weeks. (We are using ReliOn Novolin N.) I have been looking over the package insert, and it just says not to use it after the expiration date printed on the vial, or if the liquid remains clear after the vial has been gently agitated. It also says not to use it if the white deposit at the bottom of the vial looks lumpy or granular. I can't see any information about the length of time that it can last in the refrigerator. I'll bet that Natalie will know! You could also call the place where you get it and ask how long it should last.

                  I'm glad that Lady's numbers have come back down to normal. I can't imagine just using five units for an injection! We're up to 34! My insulin vial doesn't last too long. I don't think that I will ever have to worry about it going bad! You are smart to keep a journal. I have one, too; and I refer to it all of the time!

                  Hugs to you and scratchies for Lady!

                  Jeanne and Kiska

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                  • #10
                    Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

                    Hi Jeanne,

                    A bottle of insulin lasts me longer than 6 weeks for Lady. I'm thinking maybe that's why her # was so high the other day. After only 2 doses on the new bottle she was back to normal. I'm leaning more towards the higher # coming from the insulin.

                    As for the journal it really is a good idea - I would never be able to remember everything we've done with her if I didn't write it down - you know those senior moments - I seem to be having more and more of them -lol. Thanks for the reply and hugs to you and Kiska.
                    Luv,

                    Lynne and Angel Lady 7/98-3/09 Forever in my heart

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                    • #11
                      Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

                      There are more answers on how long opened insulin keeps than there are people running for President.

                      http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi...full/26/9/2665

                      Diabetes Care, September, 2003

                      "How Long Should Insulin Be Used Once a Vial Is Started?" Martin M. Grajower, MD

                      An exam review for pharmacists lists vials of human insulin as 30 days unrefrigerated and 3 months refrigerated.

                      You'll see that every pharma had a different answer when asked. There were even more different answers when someone from Europe replied to this article:

                      http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi...l/27/5/1225#T1

                      Diabetes Care, 2004

                      "Insulin Storage in Europe"

                      When we used the old Lilly pork Lente, we used 2.5 units twice a day, so we didn't use it very quickly either. I could keep a vial refrigerated for close to 3 months without losing potency.

                      http://petswithdiabetes.yuku.com/top...n-Be-Used.html

                      "I'll go on record by saying that I'm able to keep a vial of Iletin refrigerated for about 3 months before it starts to lose potency."

                      When we switched to Caninsulin/Vetsulin, this was the first time we ever were able to use a vial to the last drop; I'd always have about 1/3 to 1/4 of the old Lily vial left when it started losing potency.

                      Here's some of the things which can go wrong with insulin-

                      http://petdiabetes.wikia.com/wiki/Re...sulin_problems

                      What I always did with a new vial was to write the date I started it on the front of the box. It then "reminded" me twice daily as to how old it was.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

                        Hi Lynne,

                        Senior moments? I have cornered the market on those! I have to write down everything! My life is planned out on lists. Thank goodness for Kiska's journal. My brain is like a sieve. I really do miss my mind!!! I guess if it really gets bad, I won't remember that I forgot something! Ha!

                        Jeanne and Kiska

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                        • #13
                          Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

                          Hey Lynne,

                          I do the same...write the date on the box the vial comes in so I know when I opened it. Same with the Ketostix I use bc they are only good for 6 months. Although I get the individually foil-wrapped ones now bc I never go through a whole bottle in 6 months (knock on wood!!!).

                          The other thing I was told and my doc does with me is get enough so I always have a fresh unopened unexpired vial I keep in the fridge. Sometimes, insulin can go bad before its time and you just don't know. This way, if I have a high, and I can't get it down after two attempts, I am to use insulin from the new bottle to make sure it isn't the insulin.

                          Of course, with this body, it's always ME! I never had it be bc of the insulin! I need a brand new ME!!!
                          Lots of hugs! Beth and the boys

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                          • #14
                            Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

                            Hi all!

                            Thanks for all the links and info. Writing the date on the box of insulin is a good idea - makes a lot of sense - don't know why I didn't think of that one. Hugs to all.
                            Luv,

                            Lynne and Angel Lady 7/98-3/09 Forever in my heart

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                            • #15
                              Re: Lady JRT Diabetes and Cushing's

                              Originally posted by forscooter View Post
                              Hey Lynne,

                              I do the same...write the date on the box the vial comes in so I know when I opened it. Same with the Ketostix I use bc they are only good for 6 months. Although I get the individually foil-wrapped ones now bc I never go through a whole bottle in 6 months (knock on wood!!!).

                              The other thing I was told and my doc does with me is get enough so I always have a fresh unopened unexpired vial I keep in the fridge. Sometimes, insulin can go bad before its time and you just don't know. This way, if I have a high, and I can't get it down after two attempts, I am to use insulin from the new bottle to make sure it isn't the insulin.

                              Of course, with this body, it's always ME! I never had it be bc of the insulin! I need a brand new ME!!!
                              Lots of hugs! Beth and the boys

                              Individually wrapped Ketostix:

                              http://www.uchsc.edu/misc/diabetes/ud05.pdf

                              Page 31 (3 of 6)

                              "Individually wrapped Ketostix will not expire for 2 to 3 years. This gets around the problem of having to throw any unused Ketostix away once the bottle has been open for six months. Ask your pharmacist to order them if he/she does not have them. The Bayer product number for ordering is 2640 (20 foiled strips)."

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