Food for diabetes and history of bladder stones

[Tysonsmommie]

My Tyson has diabetes and bladder stones, which we found out came back. He had surgery in 2021 to remove the first ones. I was wondering what some of you are feeding your doggie that have the same problem I do since he has to be on a low purine diet for the stone and has diabetes too. He has been on Royal Canin Veterinary UC dry food since his last surgery.

[Tysonsmommie]

Re: Help! Switching from Novilin N to Vetsulin

Question, if you give 3 shots a day but only feed once I don’t understand. I thought you have to gave a shot after meals.

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Help! Switching from Novilin N to Vetsulin

I copied this post from Natalie for you to help with your Tyson. If you.d like to tell us about Tyson were here.

"a nondiabetic, the insulin supply from the pancreas is an incredibly exquisite, finely tuned delivery system that matches insulin production to the sugar available in the blood. The pancreas doesn't dump a pool of insulin all at once and expect the body to use it over the next 12 hours. It delivers small amounts of insulin as needed throughout the day, and the amount needed changes literally minute by minute with when a meal is eaten.

So with a diabetic dog (or human), we are trying to approximate that incredibly sensitive system with injections

It's almost laughable to think that it could work, and utterly amazing that it works as well as it does.

So when you inject insulin, the body starts absorbing it into the blood at whatever speed that particular body does. Some dogs take a long time to break the insulin out of its time-released packaging and they may not get much of an effect from the insulin for an hour or more. Other dogs are like skilled safecrackers, and they bust the insulin out of its time-release packaging really fast and put the insulin to work right away, within minutes.

There is absolutely no connection between how the insulin is absorbed and how sugar gets into the blood from a meal.

The insulin gets absorbed how it gets absorbed, whether there is sugar for it to use or not.

You can't change how your dog's body absorbs and uses insulin.

But you can change how sugar is delivered to go with that insulin.
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It's like making a milkshake with a machine that deliver two flavors of syrup: chocolate (insulin) and strawberry (food from a meal).

There's no shut off valve on the chocolate dispenser and it runs chocolate (insulin) into the ice cream and milk at whatever rate it wants to. You can only fill up the chocolate dispenser.

You control the strawberry (food) syrup dispenser, with the goal of providing strawberry syrup at exactly the same rate as the chocolate syrup is going in.

If you're too slow, the milkshake will be all chocolate (insulin) and the blood sugar will drop dangerously low.

If you're too fast, the milkshake will be mostly strawberry (sugar from food) and the blood sugar will skyrocket.''.............

So you see every dog is different. Peoole use different insulins, variety of foods. Getting the right combination is a little tricky as you.ve probably read here in the forum but regulation is very much doable
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[k9diabetes]

Re: Help! Switching from Novilin N to Vetsulin

Question, if you give 3 shots a day but only feed once I dont understand. I thought you have to gave a shot after meals.

I'm sorry to be long in replying. I was pulled away by family matters last fall.

Usually, if you're giving three shots a day, you're also giving meals three times a day, breaking up the days food into three parts. Our dog got four meals and insulin injections a day, every six hours, because he was using a fast acting insulin.

How are things going?

Natalie

[MomtoMax]

I know nothing about stones as I’ve never dealt with them (knocking LOUDLY on wood), but I would think I’d like to know whether they are struvite or oxylate?
Donna

[Tysonsmommie]

Hi Donna, my Tyson had Cystine stones.

[k9diabetes]

Checking in on Tyson...