Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

yes test right after food, inject over 200.
test say 2 hours later
we want Bears blood sugar to slowly normalize

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

i.m wondering why the stool was black tarry, maybe blood that was digested? you saw blood in her mouth around a tooth? she stops eating could be because the tooth hurts. change in diet, a chew toy. check her mouth after she eats in the morning look for blood and check stools. hopefully those meds will help. the vet will need to test the stool if its hard black again

[Zoology1603]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

check her mouth after she eats in the morning look for blood

I looked in her mouth and she does have a little bit of bleeding at the gum line around a particular tooth. The tooth isn't loose and doesn't look decayed or inflamed at the gum. So I don't know if this is a big problem for her. The vet looked in her mouth at the last visit. I know I have looked before and it wasn't there so it's not always present. I did tell the vet about it. She started eating her food fine this morning, once it was down to a few more bites she stopped. I had to pick up the last few pieces in my hand and give them to her one by one, which she ate. But she won't eat it from the bowl nor eat the bulk of it in one go from my hand, it has to be piece by piece.
When I woke up around 2am to let her outside, she was laying on the couch. She hasn't been able to get up on the couch in some time. While she was outside she went exploring and even rolled in the rocks, one of her favorite pass-times. I believe she was also finding chicken poop outside. This is a welcome act when the last few days all she wanted to do was go out and pee and hurry back inside to sleep.

So we cheated a bit on our schedule already. She ate a handful of dry dog food. I couldn't believe she wanted it and was skeptical she would even eat it but she did. So appetite seems to be returning. Hopefully you will forgive us from cheating a bit on our first day

She took another poop around 11am. No more than a thumb. It was more brown and less hard this time. Much better looking. Then we took a walk around the orchard, so she got her some exercise. Enough to get her panting.

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9/17 (I'll be updating all results here as the day goes on)

Gave 1 cup of Freshpet @ 6:43am
Blood glucose test read 562 @ 6:53am
Gave 8 units of Vetsulin @ 6:58am
Blood glucose test read 586 @ 9:09am
Gave 1 handful of dry dog food @ 10:19am
Roughly 20min outside walking around @ 11:00am
Blood glucose test read 373 @ 12:07pm
Gave 2 baby carrots @ 1:30pm
Roughly 5min outside walking around @ 1:50pm
Blood glucose test read 541 @ 2:07pm
Blood glucose test read 569 @ 4:25pm
Gave 1 cup of Freshpet @ 6:32pm
Gave 8 units of Vetsulin @ 6:37pm
Blood glucose test read 664 @ 8:37pm
Blood glucose test read 525 @ 10:14pm

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

good job

lets change the schedule to:

before food test
feed and inject right after food
test after your walks

Bear needs to stick to same schedule every day because regulating diabetes is giving the right amount of food and insulin every 12 hours.

feeding inbetween meals only raises her blood sugar.

giving non sugar treats inbetween is okay example green beens fresh or frozen.

[Zoology1603]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

giving non sugar treats inbetween is okay example green beens fresh or frozen.

She's asking for carrots now, which was always a favorite of hers. She's wobbly still but has been exploring the property when she goes out to pee now, wondering if anything is different since she's been off patrol for so long I'm guessing.

I'm using an f-droid app to keep track of her information called Diaguard.

These are the dry kibbles she has eaten in her life. If she decides to go back to eating dry food on a daily basis, what is your opinion of them for a diabetic dog?

Holistic Select Natural Dry Dog Food, Chicken Meal & Rice Recipe
Taste of the Wild PREY High Protein Limited Ingredient Premium Dry Dog Food with Antioxidants and Probiotics for All Life Stages
Wellness CORE Natural Grain Free Dry Dog Food, Original Turkey & Chicken

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

Bear, 9 yr old australian cattle dog, 32 lbs. dx diabetes, member over at k9cushings, 8 units x 2, fresh pet


cauliflower, brussels, beans, most any greens are good treats, no sugar. i.d chop anything up,make it soft to eat because of the tooth. same with dog food, wet, soft chewing.

theres other members that have fed these foods. they should be in here soon

the wellness core i found fluxated Riles blood sugar hard to level it out.

did you take Bears mid day test yet?

[Zoology1603]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

did you take Bears mid day test yet?

Yes, I updated the previous post with the new information so it's all in one place. 373 at noon and 541 just a half hour ago. Just the 2 baby carrots in-between.

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

I looked in her mouth and she does have a little bit of bleeding at the gum line around a particular tooth. The tooth isn't loose and doesn't look decayed or inflamed at the gum. So I don't know if this is a big problem for her. The vet looked in her mouth at the last visit. I know I have looked before and it wasn't there so it's not always present. I did tell the vet about it. She started eating her food fine this morning, once it was down to a few more bites she stopped. I had to pick up the last few pieces in my hand and give them to her one by one, which she ate. But she won't eat it from the bowl nor eat the bulk of it in one go from my hand, it has to be piece by piece.
When I woke up around 2am to let her outside, she was laying on the couch. She hasn't been able to get up on the couch in some time. While she was outside she went exploring and even rolled in the rocks, one of her favorite pass-times. I believe she was also finding chicken poop outside. This is a welcome act when the last few days all she wanted to do was go out and pee and hurry back inside to sleep.

So we cheated a bit on our schedule already. She ate a handful of dry dog food. I couldn't believe she wanted it and was skeptical she would even eat it but she did. So appetite seems to be returning. Hopefully you will forgive us from cheating a bit on our first day

She took another poop around 11am. No more than a thumb. It was more brown and less hard this time. Much better looking. Then we took a walk around the orchard, so she got her some exercise. Enough to get her panting.

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9/17 (I'll be updating all results here as the day goes on)

Gave 1 cup of Freshpet @ 6:43am
Blood glucose test read 562 @ 6:53am
Gave 8 units of Vetsulin @ 6:58am
Blood glucose test read 586 @ 9:09am
Gave 1 handful of dry dog food @ 10:19am
Roughly 20min outside walking around @ 11:00am
Blood glucose test read 373 @ 12:07pm
Gave 2 baby carrots @ 1:30pm
Roughly 5min outside walking around @ 1:50pm
Blood glucose test read 541 @ 2:07pm

from what i can see the food and insulin seemed to meet up at 12 pm for a nice 373.

you tell me how it went from 373 to a high of 541 in 2 hours ???

[Zoology1603]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

I do not know. She had 2 baby carrots. I keep wondering if my meter is crap.

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

today is her first day eating. these numbers are just an example how blood sugar works its important to feed only every 12 hours. giving only small amounts of green veggies inbetween. we.re trying to avoid organ damage

sugar raises blood sugar, i.d save feeding carrots only if she goes low.

the 20 minute walk really help her bring down her blood sugar. sometimes walking can raise blood sugar. test after a walk

did the vet tell you what to do and the symptoms of hypoglycemia, low blood sugar?

[Zoology1603]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

did the vet tell you what to do and the symptoms of hypoglycemia, low blood sugar?

No the vet didn't do that. I read that information online though.

569 @ 4:25pm She's had nothing to eat since those carrots at 1.

the 20 minute walk really help her bring down her blood sugar. sometimes walking can raise blood sugar. test after a walk

So she's been pretty active today. Walking around the house and greeting people. She also sniffs around the house when she goes outside. Could this more active lifestyle also be contributing to her numbers going up? She been far more active today than the day before.

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

p.s. keep some karo, maple, corn syrup on hand to rub abit on her gums if she goes low, test test test till she goes back up

high blood sugar maybe because of cushings., not enough insulin, too much insulin food etc.

we need more testing data
test before feeding
test half hour after food
test 2 hours after food and insulin
test before you go to bed please, post here.

tomorrow
test at fasting
feed 3/4 cup, inject right after food, test halh hour after food and insulin
test 2 hours after food and insulin
test at the 6 hour mark

if her blood sugar is still in the upper 500 tomorrow afternoon, we need to make a change, notify lablab over at k9cushings get her opinion, check the vet for the vetoral but think reducing the food will bring down the bg

[Zoology1603]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

we need more testing data

inject right after food.
test 2 hours after food and insulin tonight and
test before you go to bed please, post here.

Gave 1 cup of Freshpet @ 6:32pm
Gave 8 units of Vetsulin @ 6:37pm
Blood glucose test read 664 @ 8:37pm
Blood glucose test read 525 @ 10:14pm

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

glad Bear is starting to feel better and eat a full meal, thats half the battle.

does Bear have any medical issues?

is there anything outside that she eats? poop?

has the bleeding stopped?

do you have a human glucose meter? i.d like to double check the alphatrack high readings. or take her to the vet for a glucose reading.

[Riliey and Mo]

Re: Diabetic Australian Cattle Dog

okay think i found why Bears glucose readings are high. we need to get those numbers down save organ damage

the Freshpet website, feed guide has weight from 21 to 40 pounds to feed 1/2 to 1 1/8 lbs per day. yes pounds. tonight i looked again its changed to 21 to 35 lbs feed 2 1/4 to 3 1/4 cups. yes its cups not lbs. confusing.

shes gotten 1 cup twice day. both times her bg has gone up in 2 hours. tonight she went up 100 points after food.
i.d drop her food back to 3/4 cup

test before food at fasting,
test half hour after 3/4 cup food and 8 u insulin
test at 12pm
do the same at supper

i used a measuring cup for Riles 1/2 cup for his 11kg. when i tried to feed him more, his blood sugar went up, so same for Bear. 3/4 should work as Bear is 14 kg. the food should meet up with the insulin tomorrow

9/17

Gave 1 cup of Freshpet @ 6:43am
Blood glucose test read 562 @ 6:53am
Gave 8 units of Vetsulin @ 6:58am
Blood glucose test read 586 @ 9:09am
Gave 1 handful of dry dog food @ 10:19am
Roughly 20min outside walking around @ 11:00am
Blood glucose test read 373 @ 12:07pm
Gave 2 baby carrots @ 1:30pm
Roughly 5min outside walking around @ 1:50pm
Blood glucose test read 541 @ 2:07pm
Blood glucose test read 569 @ 4:25pm
Gave 1 cup of Freshpet @ 6:32pm
Gave 8 units of Vetsulin @ 6:37pm
Blood glucose test read 664 @ 8:37pm
Blood glucose test read 525 @ 10:14pm