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Old 08-17-2021, 03:33 AM
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Default Newly diabetic pug - HELP!

Hi.

My 12 year old baby boy has just been diagnosed as diabetic. It's not under control yet as despite 2 X 3ml injections of insulin daily, he's still drinking to excess and is peeing gallons. We've been told he can only have two meals a day, with his injections. This is proving impossible for him and us as a few hours after his first meal, he's yapping loudly and continuously for food. This goes on all day long until his evening meal. We are at the end of our last nerves with the continual yapping, not to mention he thinks we're being mean to him.

He's also mostly blind and needs carrying up and down stairs, so I'm up half the night taking him for a pee. I'm feeling unwell through lack of sleep and the stress of him yapping all the time.

What can we do ? I can't cope with this!
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Old 08-18-2021, 12:35 PM
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hi and welcome to you and your dog.

first off feed only twice a day. once hes close to regulation he.ll stop barking and settle down nicely

take a deep breath his is along journey. consider home testing your dog you.ll be more in control of his blood sugar. i did. lots do.

please provide how.much he is eating, ? how much does he weigh?

if can post any recent curves done.

hang in there..lets get this peeing stopped!

does he have back leg weakness so u have to carry him?
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Old 08-19-2021, 03:13 PM
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I'm sorry your boy is having a hard time adjusting to two meals a day - and pugs do tend to make a fuss when they're unhappy!

Two meals a day is best - how long since he was diagnosed?

How much does he weigh?

And it sounds like he's getting 3 units of insulin twice a day - presumably canininsulin.

Have any curves been done?

Best way to regulate your boy is to test his blood sugar at home. See the main website for information on how to do that - www.k9diabetes.com

If his blood sugar is still quite high, he is literally starving because he's not getting the benefit of his food. Once his blood sugar is lower, he should be less hungry.

And if stress is makiing his blood sugar worse, you could try low / no calorie snacks between meals. Vegetables like green beans and broccoli can work well (our diabetic dog wouldn't touch them...) Or very small bits of protein like white meat chicken... really small. But try to avoid it if you can.

In terms of blindness, he should adjust to that as time goes on and need less potty trips. Can you sleep downstairs for a while? Also, a ramp on the stairs could help him navigate it himself better. Stairs definitely can take a while to master.

Let us know more about him and his blood sugar at the moment.

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Old 08-20-2021, 04:21 AM
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Hi Both. Thanks for your kind words and advice. He's 10Kg / 22lbs. I don't know the weight of the food we give him yet, but his morning and evening meals are quite substantial. He's on 3 units of Caninsulin, twice daily. His blood sugars must still be very high because he is drinking an enormous amount. I ordered an AlphaTrak 2 Starter Kit which should be arriving either today or tomorrow and I need to get his blood sugar under control asap as it's been two weeks now since he was diagnosed and I suspect he was diabetic for a while before that.

I have telephoned the vets to ask one of them to call me to advise on what the process is for adjusting his insulin dose but they take forever to call back - if they remember. Even trying to get through to them in the first place isn't easy.

So.... can I ask you fine folks what I need to be doing in order to work out an appropriate dose for Pugsley please ?

Here's the love of my life..... xxxx

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Old 08-20-2021, 08:58 AM
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good your getting the alphatrack. i used it too.

love his picture he is soooo cute.

thing is amount of food you feed your dog is just as important as insulin. everything goes by weight.

can you get a measuring scale. read the back of the bag for feeding instructionson a 22 lb dog or go to their website and check the feed guide.

food and insulin need to meet up to start the regulation process.

post his food and i can look it up for you.

check out the links in the forum telling you how to start home testing okay? i put Riles between my legs snug flippedup his upper lip.
i used the plain lancet not the device jabbed his inner lip with the test strip and meter. turn off sound on the alphatrack

we can help you let us know when the meter arrives but you need to know the right amount of food you feed first. we dont want to give insulin with not enough food.
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Old 08-20-2021, 09:30 AM
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Hi. Thanks for that. I'm so relieved to have more experienced folk to discuss this with. I've been so stressed about it all. Thank you!

His food is usually a mixture of stuff but I'm becoming aware that we need to remove as many variables as possible so a standard diet of the same food every day might be required. I'm not sure what is best as he's always been a very spoiled pug and a picky eater although he's a lot less picky now he's only getting fed 12h apart!

Right now, he's getting 2 X pork sausages, a small handful of dry kibble, a large slab of "Naturo" Turkey & brown rice wet food and a tablespoon of a fibre supplement. We're in the UK so brands will differ if you're in the US or elsewhere. He also gets a chew treat or two immediately after his meals.

I spoke to the vet today about what to do with the meter when it arrives and she said that we should do a curve test on Wednesday as it will be two weeks since he started on insulin by then. I am concerned about the amount of water he is drinking though that the vet did not seem very bothered by that.

Thank you for all of your kind words and help. I am sure Pugsley and I will be regular visitors here :-)

Thanks again,

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Old 12-03-2021, 07:52 AM
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Default Check out these curves ! (glucose - not great)

Hi again.

I managed to get a Freestyle Libre attached to Pugsley and have been struggling to get control of his glucose. I've been tweaking food and insulin dose but I can't seem to get any kind of sensible consistency.

Check out his curves... He usually gets fed twice daily - about 7am & 7pm, though these tend to move slightly depending on how annoying he is, barking constantly for food.











There are a couple of confusing results - such as 28th Nov when his glucose barely moved after his breakfast. Same thing again today ! What's that all about ????

Bear in mind that 500 mg/dl is the maximum the meter can read, so where you see a curve climbing to 500 then going flat - that just means the actual reading is over 500.

These curves look nothing like the 'ideal' curves I've seen on various sites.
I'm also puzzled why his glucose climbs so rapidly and to such a high level - is that normal (particularly the level) ??

A couple of times I've had to feed him when his level dropped to about 64 and on one occasion I broke out the emergency glucose gel when it hit 50.

I'm struggling here..... help me my lovely friends !

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Old 12-03-2021, 09:36 AM
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Looks like classic rebound to me and it's very consistent . When blood sugar dips below a 100 you get a big spike . If this has been going on for awhile it maybe difficult to settle the body down .
Did the aggressive appetite come after being diagnosed diabetic ?

Now the last curve looks really good . Was anything different that day . Appetite different that day
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Old 12-03-2021, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: Check out these curves ! (glucose - not great)

I've never heard of rebound until you mentioned it. His appetite went crazy after being diagnosed - though it's hard to be sure as we always used to just feed him whenever he was hungry and all of a sudden, he's on two meals a day, 12h apart, so he's going crazy for food as he's not used to going so long without a meal.

The bottom graph is today - and only half the day at that. The only thing that has changed is that my wife has been feeding him as I'm in bed with Norovirus and we usually give him 4.4 oz of wet dog food with 8% carb content, 1.4 oz of chicken breast and 1 oz of dry kibble per meal. The dry kibble is Royal Canin Weight Management and the wet food was Royal Canin Weight Management Wet, but when we ran out of that, I switched to this other stuff that was in the supermarket and seemed to have low carbs. Today, we ran out of chicken, so his breakfast contained very little chicken at all and his evening meal, none. The change of the wet food came about four days ago, but the exclusion of chicken only happened today.

I'm wondering if it could be the chicken ? I can't see how, but the very limited data so far does point at that.
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Old 12-03-2021, 10:14 PM
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High protein diets seem to be correlated to rebound . My theory is the slow digestion of it allows little blood sugar to work with the strength of injected insulin . If insulin isn't fed the body may do it dumping sugar into the system and overwhelm injected insulin . In a non diabetic dog insulin and blood sugar work together in a balanced system . Injected insulin is time released and far different than the natural system . Now if you can duplicate what you did for that meal and repeat it for a week and test to see how it goes . You might have got lucky . I did on many occasions solving my Jesse's regulation difficulties .Don't worry if you get some off days . If you can get 2 decent curves you might be on the right track
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