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Old 04-29-2009, 03:11 PM
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Oh Karen!

Honey, this is wrong on so many levels! They didn't even have the decency or courage to tell you in person. The receptionist had to know what was going on the whole time and just led you along! Meanwhile, Dolly suffers needlessly at the hands of one who's "...days are filled with providing the highest quality care for hundreds of patients, all of which I am equally dedicated to...". Leaving Dolly in that shape is "dedication"?

Is she really that insecure? Dr C always cautions me about what I read on the web, but as time has gone by and she sees that I am learning correct info based on studies and hands-on experience, she is less concerned. I guess I just don't understand how educating yourself in order to better help Buddy should be offensive to your vet. But she really is offended, that letter drips with sarcasm, which isn't very professional in itself.

I am so sorry you had to experience something like this when you are simply doing your best to help Buddy. And I certainly hope you have some more choices for vets where you are!

You didn't deserve this at all, Karen, so let it get to you.
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Old 04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
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Karen, I AM STUNNED, SPEECHLESS, & HORRIFIED! The only thing I can say is you need to find another vet ASAP, I would not let this woman touch any of my pets ever, again.

My GP vet know me very well & knows that I research my boy's medical problems to the moon & back. I don't hesitate to ask questions, bring up my concerns, ask for explanation, or offer information that I have found on cc.net. He has NEVER, EVER acted angry, upset, or anything else by my actions, & if he did, I would be finding another vet.

Old 04-29-2009, 03:35 PM
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Unbelievable ... just unbelievable!

And I second everything that the others have said in reply to your Vet firing you. What an uncaring and insecure person she must be, to do this and to leave you without a vet at a time like this! You're probably better off without her though.

I hope you can find another vet in your area quickly, and one who will agree that it's a good thing to be a member of the team when it comes to caring for your own pets. We are the Vet's eyes and ears at home and our input should be taken into consideration, especially when we are bringing them valid ideas that we can back up with references from the veterinary literature which is certainly not "drivel".

My Internal Medicine Specialist actually loves that I am online searching and learning all the time. She has never been intimidated in the least by my choice to become a well informed advocate for my pet. As a matter of fact, I have had occasion to work with several boarded Specialists over the past few years ... in Veterinary Internal Medicine, Veterinary Dentistry, Orthopedic Surgery and also a certified veterinary physiotherapist ... all of whom were absolutely delighted to find that I had "done my homework" online. My current GP Vet also is fine with the fact that I like to be well informed. She's not at all insulted or intimidated and says that it actually keeps her on her toes!

My Internal Med Specialist tells me that I know as much or more about treating canine cushing's than most GP Vets with whom she has worked and she says that she wishes that all of her clients would make the effort to become well informed, so that she and the clients can communicate more effectively with each other and work better together to get the dog well again.


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Old 04-29-2009, 03:41 PM
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Hi Karen,

I'm very sorry that you experienced this and I sincerely hope that you have better options for veterinary care so you can move on from this situation and work with a veterinarian who regards you as an important member of the treatment team.

All of our vets and human docs have to accept up front that I will research everything they tell me on the internet - everything.

(I recently started working with a new doctor for myself and that's the first thing I told him. He agreed that gaining as much knowledge as possible was a good thing and encouraged me to research anything we discuss so he passed the first test!)

And that I will ask a lot of questions and require detailed explanations of what we are doing and why we are doing it. Those are standing conditions for me to entrust the health of any creature in this household to a doctor's care.

I am thankful now to have found veterinarians and doctors who treat me as part of the process, not someone to dictate to.

Because treating me as an important member of the treatment team is also a condition.

You are not being unreasonable or demanding. You are being a responsible caring caretaker for your dog and I think many many veterinarians would be thrilled to have a client who invests so much time and energy in their dog's care.

I am fortunate that I live in an area with many many vets to choose from and even then it took me a while to find a vet I am completely happy with. There really does need to be a fit of goals, styles, approaches... our diabetic dog's first vet is a kind, caring, compassionate human being who I greatly respect and who saved his life when Chris was a puppy. But our approaches to diabetes did not match and we found it necessary to find someone who suited us better...

Clearly that's what you need now!

So again, my sympathies and I truly hope you have some options.

Old 04-29-2009, 03:41 PM
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These doctors need to realize that all we are concentrating on is cushings. They have a thousand more subjects to worry about and they should be greatful for our research! I have had the same kind of problem with my daughter, who has thyroid disease that started when she was 11. I had to research, diagnose, demand blood tests and demand treatment from doctors who know very little about the disease. She's now 19, and I am still fighting for her treatment. Bless the computer!
Old 04-29-2009, 03:45 PM
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Just looked at your photos... Buddy is so very handsome and sweet...
Old 04-29-2009, 04:33 PM
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I had to calm myself down after reading that letter. I am sooooooooo sorry that this insensitive person that calls herself a vet had the audacity to mail you that letter. I would feel compelled to send it to the newspaper - bet they'd love that story. I nominate her for the cushings Wall of SHAME. That takes the cake.

I am no vet and I am no psychologist but I can tell you that you know more about cushings than she does AND she has some serious issues. She obviously is not compassionate and will not make it as a vet. So you are fortunate to have discovered this before she tried poisoning Buddy without even trying to research protocol on the drugs she prescribes.

Meanwhile to help your dog.... You had discussed finding a new vet already anyway so its just a matter of speeding that up a bit. I made some recommendations in earlier posts, not sure if you've tried them but I'd go there first. There have to be more vets in Kearney than in Columbus so you will find a good one. If you want me to I could contact my vet and see if he recommends anyone.

Give Jesse a big hug for me and don't let that letter get you down. She obviously missed class the day at vet school where they talked about customer service! Hugs Kim
Old 04-29-2009, 04:45 PM
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Unbelievable, I am stuned, all day in chat rooms? I am horrified and I would be sure to pass the word around that she is not easy to work with, in fact you cant work "with " her at all she does and you listen. Unfortunately there are some vets like that out there like that. I spoke to my net earlyon with the advice of this uninformed chat room, and told him that If I ask questions it is because I need to understand the why work in the hospital and have learned to never be lead blindly. He said he was the same way and we have to work together as we both have the same goal to keep Nike healthy. He attributes nikes doing so well to my education ( idle dribble) from here, he has not had any dogs do as well as Nike has with her Cushings and she is old. and it is from all the information and assistance and guidance I have recieved from here.
I am so sorry that your poor dog has to suffer the consequences of vet such as this and she calls herself a professional, with that kind of letter she wrote, sounds like a schoolgirl type thing not that professional to me.
Wish I could help spread the word not to use this uncaring selfcentered Its all about me vet but I am glad I am to far away to do any good.

Good luck finding a new vet
Hugs to you and yours from me and mine

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Old 04-29-2009, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Kakesie View Post
She consulted with vets in Kansas City who said life expectancy once diagnosed is 2-3 years with treatment OR without treatment.
That 2-3 year prognosis statistic is only an "average" and we must remember what data that average is based on.

The statistic includes some dogs who lived only a few months after diagnosis as well as dogs who lived many years after diagnosis.

The data from which that 2 or 3-year prognosis statistic was formulated includes:

... some dogs who were not treated at all for the Cushing's Disease

... some dogs who may have been diagnosed and treated by inexperienced Vets or Vets who were perhaps too conservative in their treatment of the dogs and never really got the dogs' Cushing's well-controlled.

... some owners who quit treatment at the first sign that the dog didn't feel well (when it may have been only a dose adjustment that was needed to get the dog feeling well again and to maintain good control of cortisol production)

... some owners who were not observant or not diligent about giving the prescribed medication and/or were not having the dog monitored as recommended with periodic ACTH stim testing to check cortisol production and to know for certain if or when dose adjustments might be needed etc.

... some dogs who were diagnosed only by the time the Cushing's was quite advanced and by then some irreversible organ damage (liver, kidneys, heart etc) may have already occurred

When you take scenarios like the above-mentioned ones and add that data all together with the available data on the Cushing's dogs who are successfully treated and have successful outcomes, many of whom live 5, 6, 7 years or more after diagnosis with an excellent quality of life, well, you may actually get an average 2-year prognosis, but that does not mean that a dog who is correctly diagnosed and treated for Cushing's will only live 2 or 3 more years from the time of diagnosis.

Also, most Cushing's dogs are already quite "senior" by the time they are diagnosed, and many would not have lived much longer than 2 or 3 more years even if they did not have Cushing's or any other health issues.

My dog was treated with Lysodren for more than 6 years after he was diagnosed with Cushing's and he led a happy and healthy life for all that time.
Old 04-29-2009, 05:09 PM
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I have not posted to you previously.

I feel like you, kicked in the stomach.

I would after finding another Dr. submit this bit of trashing to the BBB, the state licensing board and the local news media.

This Dr. may have some competence as an DVM, but if what you have related is anything close to what actually occured in my 'internet chatroom opinion', she needs to be seeing another type of medical professional.


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