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Old 02-08-2021, 07:27 AM
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My dog (50% chiawaha/Jack Russell) started insulin therapy about 2-3 weeks ago.
Earl is much better than before and gets 2 injections a day after meals.
Now that his glucose is more under control Iíd like to improve his diet so hopefully he requires less insulin and gets healthy nutrition.
Ive not had much luck finding nutrition requirements or consistent opinions.
Donít feed him this then next article says itís safe and healthy.
I try small portions of new food and see how Earl reacts.
Iíd like to see a painless method of getting blood glucose readings and insulin injections but so far nothing seems to be available.
If thereís any new delivery systems that are reliable please post.
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Old 02-08-2021, 07:40 AM
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Hi and welcome to you and Earl

Can you tell us what type of insulin you are using and how many units ? What type of food are you feeding Earl ?
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Old 02-08-2021, 03:59 PM
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I’m giving Earl 5 units U-40 of vetsulin twice a day every 12 hours after meals.

I’m feeding him 4 ounces of equal amounts of chicken,brown rice, and cauliflower for each meal.
After meal he gets a teaspoon of Greek yogurt and half a teaspoon of canned pumpkin.Also I started giving him a teaspoon of Alaska salmon right after meals.

He gets his favorite treat after injections only which are Denstix.
I give him small amounts of raw broccoli mid meals but lately tiny pinches of salmon or half a teaspoon of yogurt.

My vet basically said to keep diet consistent and after next blood test if glucose remains stable using diet will be next.

In the beginning he had some problems eating everything but now he sits and waits for meals and doesn’t leave a grain of rice in bowl.
I used to give him 2% milk when he begged for treats but he hasn’t had any 2% milk since his diagnosis.
I have been successful getting insulin into him but it’s the worst part for me.I have been successful giving him shot by myself but it’s easier with 2 people.
He is small,quick,intelligent and strong.So stay commands must be constant from beginning until I calm him down and massage injection site.He enjoys the injection site massages and making tents without the pokes.
I have had injections where he didn’t seem to even realize he got a shot but then other times he feels the insulin going in.
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Old 02-08-2021, 04:17 PM
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It seems like the brown rice,cauliflower and chicken is satisfying his hunger but it doesnít last long enough.
The diet got started when his first symptoms started he tore the stuffings out of a pillow and I thought he had intestinal blockage and he was straining to have movements and was having cramps.
The vet kept him overnight and gave him 2 X-ray and things started moving and he got better but 3 days later I could tell he wasnít feeling good.Then it would improve and 2-3 days later back so took him back to vet still on brown rice and chicken diet.
Once his glucose got down to 150 using same diet I kept it consistent and that was the first goal.
Next is diet.
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Old 02-08-2021, 04:36 PM
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The diet sounds adequate and appears to be working with injected insulin . It really doesnt matter how much insulin you are given ( higher or lower ) as long as its controlling blood sugar adequately . I dont think you are dealing with pain for the most part as some dogs dont like there space invaded

My jesse doesnt use vetsulin and uses Nph (human ) insulin . This gives more oppurtunity to use different size syringes that vetsulin does not give with shorter and thinner needles which have less impact at injection . There maybe more types for vetsulin now as the last time jesse had vetsulin was over 10 years ago and it was very limited at that time . So if the needle is fairly long and thick you may want to hunt around for something more appropriate for your smaller dog . You can use the u-100 syringes ( used for NPH ) but you have to convert the correct dose and make sure your vet understands that and everybody else involved

Your off to a good start . Many take months to get to good numbers .

Home testing would be a benefit but it takes a bit more work to get everybody comfortable with a smaller dog .
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Old 02-08-2021, 07:10 PM
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Thanks for encouragement.

I was trying to find some safety retractable syringes so that after the injection needle gets sucked up into syringe and they are only available in U-100.
My vet said he would have to order them and calibrate with the ones used and then I decided to wait until I could go to town and see if I could see them in person for they were rather expensive.
I then had several successful injections without pain so until weather clears up and I can go to supply company better use what is working.

Is it possible to ever control glucose with diet only and eliminate insulin or is it rare?
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Old 02-08-2021, 08:32 PM
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K9 diabetes is akin to type one diabetes in humans which means your dog will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life . Now some dogs like my jesse have a much smaller dose than most which had me speculate she may have some natural production of insulin and early in her diagnosis took her off insulin which did see some reduction in sugar without injected insulin but it was mostly insignificant and put her back on insulin . With 5 units already being administered your dog probably produces no natural insulin so diet will only help if it works well with injected insulin and it sounds like you are having positive results . Is your vet doing compete curves to determine the correct dose ?

Now many of us use NPH insulin and like I said there is more of a selection of different needle sizes that maybe more applicable for your dog . If you having a bit of success with what you are using you may want to stick with it for now as you will improve giving injections overtime knowing what your dog is ok with and not .
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Old 02-09-2021, 10:31 AM
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So far my vet has tested blood sugar after injections 3 times and there’s another coming up in approximately 2 weeks.
The 4 units two times daily got Earl eating and drinking much more normal but an increase to 5 units twice daily brought level down to 150.

The vet goal was to get glucose stable then address diet.

I’m using the brown rice,chicken and cauliflower diet now and am adding salmon.

I have problems with one of my hands due to accident and I have a hard time making a tent,holding Earl and the injection by myself or using one hand only.
I have had to get another person to inject while I hold Earl mostly.
I have successfully injected Earl 5-6 times by using a clip to make a tent but it’s not always reliable.It seems making a good tent is a key to successful injection.
The weather makes it more difficult to try to find materials that could possibly work to help make a tent for injections.
The vet tech said they’d see if there are other ways to inject and the vet said there might be an ear transdermal rub on but if there was I think pet owners wouldn’t be using a syringe.
So for now I have to drive Earl to another place after each meal,get him injected and then return home.
I have looked for other ways to inject and the only thing I found that looked like it may be a consistent way is still in testing phase.
If there is any different ways to get the insulin delivery please post.

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Old 02-09-2021, 10:47 AM
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Iíve looked at devices like vetpen and thereís one in testing called PKA SoftTouch.
I also looked at comfort-in.

Iíll have to do more research.
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:00 AM
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Iíve looked at devices like vetpen and thereís one in testing called PKA SoftTouch.
I also looked at comfort-in.

Iíll have to do more research.
I think for now maybe try some BD syringes.
They seem to be the most comfortable by what Iíve read.
Iím using the syringes the vet gave me Utimed inc and they may not be the most comfortable.
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