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  • Sawyer's Story

    While I am new to the board, we are not new to diabetes.

    Sawyer was diagnosed around 3 years ago.
    • Born - May 28, 2003 = 7 years old
    • Breed - Australian Cattle Dog
    • Weight - 58lbs.
    • Insulin - Just switched from Vetsulin to Novolin N
    • Dosage - was taking 13 units of vetsuling 2 x's a day (still reguating the Novolin)
    • Diet - Just switched from Wellness Core to Diamond Naturals Senior 8+
    • Allergy treatment - Chlorpheniramine 12 Mg 2 times a day.


    Sawyer's an inside dog, has been his whole life. I brought him into the vet's office one day because I noticed that he was drinking absurd amounts of water. He went from not having any accidents in the house since he was 4 mos. to having an accident in the house almost everyday. I also noticed that he was drinking approx. 2 gallons of water a day.

    It was confirmed that he was diabetic. It really made my head spin. There was so much to learn and ask and the longer the learning curve it took for me meant more harm to my dog. He was immediately put on Vetsulin and was prescribed Hills W/D.

    In the next few weeks that we spent regulating his insulin, I spent a LOT of time reading. Not only about diabetes but also about diet and food ingredients!

    Needless to say I was not pleased with what I had found about pet food ingredients and felt shameful that I had been feeding this dog Beneful healthy Weight Formula for years because he was ALWAYS overweight. (78 lbs. at diagnosis). Thanks to this forum and other sites like it, I came to the conclusion that Wellness Core would be the best thing for him. I found the one store that carried it for 50 miles and started feeding it immediately. (pulled him off the Hills W/D myself) The vet was astonished at how quickly his blood sugar regulated after putting him on this food. After a few months, the weight came off and now he hovers around 55-58 lbs.

    Just a few weeks ago I was informed that Vetsulin would soon be unavailable to me and that we would have to search for a new insulin for Sawyer to be on. I went home and started my research. I called the vet and asked him to look into Humulin N. He was very leery of switching to a synthetic insulin, but after doing his own research came to the same conclusion. After calling around for my price checks, I settled with Novolin N from WalMart for a much better price than I was paying for Vetsulin. I was also about to switch foods as well. I know my current choice of food is not the absolute best for him, but it was a necessary financial change that had to be made.

    We are still in the process of regulating his new insulin as he's only been on it for a week and a half, but we are getting very close. He's currently getting 11 Units 2x's a day of Novolin N. It looks like we will probably settle on 12 units 2x's a day even with his new food. The big seller for me on the Diamond Naturals was that they are corn free. So things seem to be on the right track and as a bonus for me, this new switch in food and insulin will be saving me about $150 a month.

    Our new issue (diagnosed through x-ray's today) is arthritis. He's been 'complaining' of back pains for a week. He's been on anti-inflammatory meds but since the pain was getting worse, we decided to do some x-rays this morning. He's got severe arthritis on his spine and he's got fuses from his neck to his tail. So, now the issue is pain management for him without using cortisone. He was on Previcox this past week and will be switching to Vetprofen next week. The doc also gave him 50Mg of Tramodol for pain, which seems to be helping quite a lot.

    Thank you for reading our story, and for being here. Even though this is my first time posting on this forum, I've been reading it for quite some time.

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    Re: Sawyer's Story

    Originally posted by SawyerAshton View Post

    Just a few weeks ago I was informed that Vetsulin would soon be unavailable to me and that we would have to search for a new insulin for Sawyer to be on. I went home and started my research. I called the vet and asked him to look into Humulin N. He was very leery of switching to a synthetic insulin, but after doing his own research came to the same conclusion. After calling around for my price checks, I settled with Novolin N from WalMart for a much better price than I was paying for Vetsulin.

    Thank you for reading our story, and for being here. Even though this is my first time posting on this forum, I've been reading it for quite some time.
    A warm Welcome to You and Sawyer!

    Since you've been reading here for some time you will know that many dogs do just wonderfully with using NPH, my Mildred is one of them, using only ReliOn Novolin N for nearly 6 years.

    I imagine too that you are also fully aware of the ReliOn syringes, I've used them for just as long and at only 12.58 for a box of 100 just can't beat the price.

    I don't see that you mention whether or not you are a home tester, 3 years in I would imagine you are.

    Something you may want to consider for Sawyer is home cooking, then you'll know for sure he is getting the very best.

    Looking forward to your adventures with regulating Sawyer on his new insulin, NPH.

    I might add that Mildred too is basically a strictly 'in door' and quite spoiled dog!

    Eileen and Mildred, 12 yo Border Collie Mx, 24.6 pounds, dx diabetic/hypothyroid 2004, gallbladder removed 2005, cataract surgery 2005, spindle cell sarcoma removed 2009, stroke 2009, tail removed 2011, dx with bladder cancer 2011, CDS, Organix~chicken / NPH,Humalog

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      Re: Sawyer's Story

      Welcome to you and Sawyer. And congratulations on 3 years with diabetes!

      Sounds like you all are doing well with the insulin switch. There are others here that may be able to comment on pain meds for back/arthritis issues. I know Peggy had Forbin on Tramadol for pain and found it lowered his blood sugar quite a bit. Something to watch for.

      Do you home test Sawyer?

      Again welcome to you
      Patty
      Patty and Ali 13.5yrs 47lbs diagnosed May '08 Ali earned her wings October 27, 2012, 4 months after diagnosis of a meningioma ~ Time is precious ~

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        No, I don't home test Sawyer. He goes into the vet's office and spends the day and gets tested every 2 hours. We do this quite regularly. He also has a VERY strict diet, to prevent abnormalities as much as possible. His levels have been perfect really while on the Vetsulin, so I'm hoping that we'll have the same success with the Novolin.

        My real concern at the moment is not the diabetes. It's really the arthritis.

        Sawyer turned 7 a month ago and it seems like he's just gone severely downhill this month. He basically screams quite often during the day even while he's on his anti inflammatory and pain meds.

        It's really hard to see him in so much pain.

        Originally posted by SawyerAshton View Post
        Our new issue (diagnosed through x-ray's today) is arthritis. He's been 'complaining' of back pains for a week. He's been on anti-inflammatory meds but since the pain was getting worse, we decided to do some x-rays this morning. He's got severe arthritis on his spine and he's got fuses from his neck to his tail. So, now the issue is pain management for him without using cortisone. He was on Previcox this past week and will be switching to Vetprofen next week. The doc also gave him 50Mg of Tramodol for pain, which seems to be helping quite a lot.
        If anyone has had any experience with this, I'd love some advice.

        I'm just worried about seeing him in this pain. Will he need to be put to sleep from this? He doesn't seem to have trouble moving around, but screams spontaneously quite often and it seems to be increasing.
        Last edited by SawyerAshton; 06-20-2010, 09:29 PM.

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        • #5
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          I'm sorry to hear that he has such serious back problems. Our nondiabetic dog Jack has recently been diagnosed with disc disease in two of his discs at the thoracic-lumbar junction. One of Jack's discs is nearly bridged. The vet feels he was injured though - he's about 3 years old.

          I've seen quite a few dogs with arthritis benefit from Adequan injections. I am currently having them done on my cat, who has hip dysplasia and he seems to be getting much better mobility now that we have completed the series.

          Regarding Jack, I was put in touch with a forum for dogs with spinal problems that you might find helpful.
          http://handicappedpet.net/helppets/

          I'm glad the pain meds are helping him... that is sad to think of him having so much pain.

          Natalie

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          • #6
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            I'm going to check out that site in some depth tomorrow morning.

            The Tramodol, that was working well for him 3 days ago seems to be doing nothing for him now.

            The sad thing is that I don't think he realizes that it's his own body causing the pain. Whenever he has one of these 'screaming sessions' he's then scared to go in that area again. Ex. one of his favorite places to lay down is in the hall against the wall. He had a pain spike and screamed and is not afraid to go into the hallway. (this was earlier today)

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            • #7
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              If there is nerve impingement, he could be having other kinds of sensations like burning that would not necessarily be helped by Tramadol.

              Do you have access to a veterinary neurologist?

              We did a consult with the one here and one of the things he would try if the nerves were potentially causing those kinds of problems would be Neurontin (gabapentin).

              We hope to never have to consider surgery but he has many years ahead of him so it's hard to know what might happen.

              Poor guy... maybe he can be convinced that the hallway is his friend again. Our dog is afraid of all kinds of things, to the point that he's now on Prozac. He has eventually gotten to the point where the lamp doesn't scare him so much but he remains suspicious of it.

              Natalie

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                Welcome to the forum, so sorry it took a painful problem with Sawyer to bring you here.

                On another forum I am on there was an excellent article on pain management, there was a question, and Dr Lee, the contributing vet there, answered with an explanation on pain meds. He does take pms and questions if you have any for him. I have personally messaged him, and he is very quick to reply.

                http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=50863

                I can see if the calcification suddenly pinches a nerve, that the onset of pain may be this sudden, but usually it progresses much more slowly. Did Sawyer give you any indication of arthritic pain before last week?

                As a matter of interest, my vet gets a lot of surgery and chemo patients by referral, as she is the best surgeon in the area. There was a referral to her a few months back for a dog with uncontrollable pain, and the reason I mention it was that you said Sawyer was "screaming" and that is the same word that was used there. Turns out it was actaully a bad tooth on the dog, and not a spinal issue at all. I believe there are a lot of dogs that will show arthritis on x-ray that may never show any outward signs of it. Hope yours turns out to be as easily fixed as that one.

                Again welcome, and I hope we can help you solve this for Sawyer.

                Joan

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                • #9
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                  No, we haven't had any major signs, except for a little slowing down, but I had attributed this with age.

                  This month was a big kicker for us. He's been in the vet's office about 5 times and over $1000 dollars later here we are. He had been real lethargic, then the diarrhea started and he was having accidents in the house. This NEVER happens. He was diagnosed with colitis after brining in a sample for them to check out. (that was an interesting morning)

                  So our June month has consisted of the following:
                  1. Colitis - treated with special food and medication... got better.
                  2. Switched insulins
                  3. Switched foods
                  4. Yearly exam and vaccinations
                  5. Granuloma on his right front paw due to licking (he's always been a paw licker, just not this bad)
                  6. Arthritis
                  7. I'm starting to thing Hip Dysplasia. A lot of times when he's uncomfortable, I see him turning and looking at his left read leg and then tries to chew that leg.

                  He turned 7 on May 28th and then this was the month that followed.

                  I believe that the colitis was the indication to me that he was beginning to be in more persistent pain. I also think that the granuloma that he caused on his leg is another indication of a persistent pain. Not long later was the screaming.

                  It started off as just a little crying so naturally I thought of basic things like his nails were too long and maybe got caught in the carpet so we trimmed them. Then thought maybe he had just sprained an ankle cause his next scream was when he had jumped on the sofa to greet a friend. The big red flag to me was when we were just standing on the porch and he wasn't even moving and then he screamed bloody murder. That's when we went to the vet's.

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                  • #10
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                    You and Sawyer ARE having quite a time! Hope you can get things sorted out before long. Sawyer is lucky to have you as his Human-Parent!

                    I can't offer anything useful at the moment, but I'll be here watching, and cheering you on.

                    Mon, 21 Jun 2010 04:49:50 (PDT)
                    http://www.coherentdog.org/
                    CarolW

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                    • #11
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                      So we had our second opinion this morning. He confirmed the original diagnosis with a little extra. I guess since the initial shock was over, I was also able to ask more questions that before. He called what Sawyer has as Spinal Spondylosis aka Arthritis aka bone spurs. He did x-ray the hips as I requested. He also agreed that it needed to be done because he could see that most of his pain came from his hind end. The x-ray showed the arthritis again along his entire spine. The last 4 vertebrate were the worst. The biggest problem is the pivot point right under where the tail meets the butt. He said that point is absolutely horrible and he thinks that is what's causing most of the pain. He actually said that this was the worst case that he'd ever seen.

                      We discussed the treatment/pain management that we are currently doing with the first vet. I asked if Sawyer was his patient, would he do anything differently and he said, "No." That made me feel a bit better in that I have been doing the right thing the past few weeks.

                      Then we talked about reality. I asked him not to sugar coat anything because I do live in the real world. Should he be PTS? He said that he should, but he believes if it was done now it would be a bit premature. He did say that he thinks in the next month of possibly two, we will come to that point.

                      This has been a very rough month for Sawyer and for me. We have had a great 7 years together and it truly saddens me that it will soon come to an end. It's not fun to watch him hurt and not be able to take the pain away. It's also hard to walk around with this lump in my throat all the time. I'm just thankful that we'll have this time together. It will help me to be able to let go not have regrets when the time comes.

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                      • #12
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                        I'm so sorry to hear his arthritis is so very bad. It's just miserable to watch them hurt. I'm glad he feels Sawyer's pain can be managed a bit longer so you can enjoy some time together yet.
                        Patty and Ali 13.5yrs 47lbs diagnosed May '08 Ali earned her wings October 27, 2012, 4 months after diagnosis of a meningioma ~ Time is precious ~

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                        • #13
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                          I'm so very sorry to hear the grim news about Sawyer's back. It's a terrible decision to have to make and he's so young. But I know that you don't want him to suffer. What a heartbreaking situation.

                          Natalie

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                          • #14
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                            I'm terribly sorry the news was not better. I'm glad you will have some time together. It's such a hard decision to make, but one done out of love...and Sawyer will let you know when it's time. Holding you both in my heart.
                            Daisy & Noodle - 9 yr old Lab mix dx 1/09 ~ 51lbs ~ 38U Humulin N, 2x ~ 1 3/4 cups am/pm Blue Buffalo dry, 1/4 can am/pm BB Wilderness.

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