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  • Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

    The reason I ask is because of a buddy that just had his 12 y/o dog diagnosed with advanced diabetes (he never even knew his dog had it to begin with).

    My Story (Reader's Digest version):

    I had a cat come down with Diabetes (probably from being fed dry cat food). The vet helped with the tests and getting the Insulin started, to get him regulated. As soon as I found out, I started doing research on the internets and found a guy on a message board that claimed to have basically "cured" dozens of cats of diabetes. I envisioned my life (my cat's life) consisting of being given insulin shots 12 hours apart for the rest of his life, which I was prepared to do, but it would definitely be a lifestyle change for both of us.

    I had a discussion with the guy and followed his advice. Once his blood sugar levels were stabilized, we started to SLOWLY decrease the amount of insulin given. (NOTE: I immediately changed his diet to wet cat food, as recommended by the guy and a cat diabetes website). By the end he was only being given a drop of insulin. After about three months, my cat's BS levels were still normal. At that point insulin was no longer given and his BS levels remained good.

    This was back in May (the conclusion of the three months of insulin treatment/weaning) and he's been fine ever since. So I guess you can say that he's been "cured" of diabetes.

    My question is, has anyone heard of anything similar being done in dogs? My buddy is in a bad way and is pretty sure that his dog probably isn't going to make it, according to what his Vet has told him.

    Please Help!

  • #2
    Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

    Unfortunately, no. Diabetes in dogs and cats are two very different diseases with diabetes in cats more akin to Type 2 in people while dogs are Type 1 and completely lose the ability to produce insulin of their own.

    Is your friend's veterinarian really really good?

    If not an exceptional GP vet or an internal medicine specialist, I suggest getting his dog to one of those immediately.

    Many vets are not very good with diabetes and may be completely outside their abilities with one who is quite ill, such as with ketoacidosis.

    If his dog has ketoacidosis, he MUST be hospitalized for treatment with IV fluids and insulin.

    Sometimes, severe diabetes is really a symptom of something else much worse also. Liver failure, kidney failure, and cancers can cause the blood sugar to go really high.

    So best bet for your friend's dog is highly skilled veterinary care immediately.

    Natalie

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    • #3
      Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

      Looks like you live in my general area. There are several good emergency veterinary clinics available locally so please ask your friend to take his dog to the emergency 24-hour vet if he hasn't already done so and his dog is very very ill.

      Natalie

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      • #4
        Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

        Thanks for the quick replies, Natalie.

        My buddy actually lives in Calaveras County, but I'm sure he'd travel more down to Sacramento (or in between) if you know of some knowledgeable Vets in the area.

        Thanks again!

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        • #5
          Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

          I just sent you an email. UCD is NOT my first choice for a diabetic dog or even a very ill dog.

          We use Vista and I recently met a really nice IMS there and would recommend them.

          http://www.vistavets.com/

          We also used VCA Sacramento Veterinary Referral Center in the past. Much more institutional atmosphere, more expensive, and I had to fight to go back to the back with my dog but they are a very large operation that has a lot of specialists. Not my first choice but viable.

          http://www.vcaspecialtyvets.com/sacr...eferral_Center

          We have also used specialists at Atlantic Street and have heard good things about their IMSs. It's close to you, but a lot farther from Calaveras County.

          http://www.erpetdoctor.com/

          Natalie

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          • #6
            Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

            Just from the sound of your description, I think the dog should come to Sacramento if well enough to travel.

            They can come back from ketoacidosis if treatment is aggressive, done right, and immediate.

            Diabetes isn't exactly "advanced" - it's more like it is or isn't. So if the dog is very ill, he probably either has ketoacidosis or has some other serious problem that's also causing high blood sugar.

            Very worried about his dog...

            Natalie

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            • #7
              Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

              Originally posted by k9diabetes View Post
              I just sent you an email. UCD is NOT my first choice for a diabetic dog or even a very ill dog.

              We use Vista and I recently met a really nice IMS there and would recommend them.

              http://www.vistavets.com/

              We also used VCA Sacramento Veterinary Referral Center in the past. Much more institutional atmosphere, more expensive, and I had to fight to go back to the back with my dog but they are a very large operation that has a lot of specialists. Not my first choice but viable.

              http://www.vcaspecialtyvets.com/sacr...eferral_Center

              We have also used specialists at Atlantic Street and have heard good things about their IMSs. It's close to you, but a lot farther from Calaveras County.

              http://www.erpetdoctor.com/

              Natalie
              Thanks, I got it and replied back.

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              • #8
                Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

                Originally posted by k9diabetes View Post
                I just sent you an email. UCD is NOT my first choice for a diabetic dog or even a very ill dog.

                We use Vista and I recently met a really nice IMS there and would recommend them.

                http://www.vistavets.com/

                We also used VCA Sacramento Veterinary Referral Center in the past. Much more institutional atmosphere, more expensive, and I had to fight to go back to the back with my dog but they are a very large operation that has a lot of specialists. Not my first choice but viable.

                http://www.vcaspecialtyvets.com/sacr...eferral_Center

                We have also used specialists at Atlantic Street and have heard good things about their IMSs. It's close to you, but a lot farther from Calaveras County.

                http://www.erpetdoctor.com/

                Natalie
                Thank you, Natalie!

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                • #9
                  Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

                  I agree that your dog needs to be seen by an internal medicine specialist for the long haul. Most general practice vets are simply not well versed in diabetes and the possible complications. Internal medicine specialists are.
                  Sparky Love, diagnosed March 5, 2014. Enrolled in Kinostat study to prevent cataract formation. Pancreatitis June 16, 2014 - hospitalized for 6 days in the ICU. Went to the Rainbow Bridge June 23, 2014. I love you very much, baby.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

                    Sadly, I've been told that the dog passed away - got an email this evening.

                    Natalie

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                    • #11
                      Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

                      that is so sad
                      Jenny: 6/6/2000 - 11/10/2014 She lived with diabetes and cushings for 3 1/2 years. She was one of a kind and we miss her.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Can dogs be "weaned" off Insulin?

                        I am so sorry to hear this :-(
                        Sparky Love, diagnosed March 5, 2014. Enrolled in Kinostat study to prevent cataract formation. Pancreatitis June 16, 2014 - hospitalized for 6 days in the ICU. Went to the Rainbow Bridge June 23, 2014. I love you very much, baby.

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