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  • #121
    Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

    Thanks Barb

    It is not cushings. I am so glad that it is out of the way. His cortisol post ACTH was 472.

    They are going to do a bile acid test to ensure that the liver is functioning. They are going to let me know when to bring him in, as he has to have his breakfast at 7am.

    Is there any reason why I should let the insulin come up to room temperature before injecting him?

    I am changing his meals to 50/50 instead of having a third in the morning.

    I have brought back a copy of the ACTH and the Blood test EDTA. Not that I understand a word of it.
    Ann and Yuli - Yuli is 11 yrs and was dx Aug 2012. He lives with 1 other Tibetan Terrier aged 14. Yuli is 39 lb and is on 25 iu Caninsulin x 2. Got his sight back June 19 2014.

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    • #122
      Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

      Happy to hear that you have pet insurance to cover costs. I must admit that my philosophy on pet insurance has changed drastically over the past ten months - lol! Also happy to hear that Yuli does not have cushings! How has he been feeling?

      Given that he is a terrier breed, has your vet run any fasting blood panels to check for elevated triglycerides or cholesterol, in addition to his liver values? Seems some breeds are naturally prone to high lipid levels even when they are on low fat diets. Hope the bile acid tests goes well.

      Regarding insulin, I've read many places that cold insulin stings when it is administered so most folks will bring it to room temperature (or warmer) before injecting. Some folks hold the capped needle in their mouths. Others put it under their arms. I'm sure other forum members may have additional tips to share as well.
      Holli & Decker // diagnosed November 5th, 2011 // Journeyed to the bridge January 26th, 2013, surrounded by his family at home // 9 years old // Levemir insulin // Hypothyroid // C1-C5 cervical spinal lesion // weight 87 lbs // Run with the wind my sweet boy. Run pain free. Holding you close in my heart till we meet again!

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      • #123
        Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

        Hi Ann and Yuli

        Glad to hear that Yuli does not have cushings.
        Anne-Marie and CJ Westie , Born 13 Jan 2004, dx May 2012, Weight 9.5kg, 6 iu Caninsulin Twice daily. Mixture of food - baby formula and mixture of chicken and vegetables . 4-6 feeds a day due to pancreatitis which is under control.

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        • #124
          Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

          Hi Holli

          Yes, thank goodness for pet insurance. I have paid in enough over the years with the three dogs!

          Tibetan Terriers are not true terriers, they were miss classifed (apparently). His cholesterol was 4.4 which is within normal range. I don't see a reading for triglycerides. There are a number of readings that are highlighted as out of range. It would take a while to type them up!

          He shows no discomfort having cold insulin, but from now on I will warm it for him!

          He is definitely more cheerful than he has been.
          Ann and Yuli - Yuli is 11 yrs and was dx Aug 2012. He lives with 1 other Tibetan Terrier aged 14. Yuli is 39 lb and is on 25 iu Caninsulin x 2. Got his sight back June 19 2014.

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          • #125
            Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

            Hi Anne-Marie, yes it is good news. I am shattered!!!!
            Ann and Yuli - Yuli is 11 yrs and was dx Aug 2012. He lives with 1 other Tibetan Terrier aged 14. Yuli is 39 lb and is on 25 iu Caninsulin x 2. Got his sight back June 19 2014.

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            • #126
              Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

              I have just listed the highlighted items from the EDTA blood test which was done 29 August 2012.

              Haematology
              Haemoglobin 11.5 should be 12-18
              MCV 59.9 should be 65-75
              MCHC 29.6 should be 31-35
              Monocytes 1.05 should be 0.20-0.72

              Biochemistry
              Alkaline Phosphatase 8,222 should be 7-173
              ALT 124 should be 0-40
              Phospherous 0.30 should be 0.9-1.6
              Glucose 16.8 should be 3.0-5.5
              Ann and Yuli - Yuli is 11 yrs and was dx Aug 2012. He lives with 1 other Tibetan Terrier aged 14. Yuli is 39 lb and is on 25 iu Caninsulin x 2. Got his sight back June 19 2014.

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              • #127
                Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                Hi Ann,
                Cant comment on those blood results but just wanted to say very pleased that its not cushings, fab news. You must be chuffed.

                Hows Yuli feeling these days? Are his numbers coming better?

                You are doing so well, it is exhausing in the early days, but hang in there it will become more stable with time and sort of become second nature and part of normal daily routine.

                Hugs to you both, Jen x
                Pippa; Westie, diagnosed 17th April 2012 at 6.5 years old, 8.7kgs, 6.8 units canninsulin bd, Burns high oats food . Lives with George 9 (Black lab), Polly 19 (cat) and Basil 15 (diabetic mog for 5+ years). Im Jen and we live in West Wales where it rains too much!

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                • #128
                  Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                  Hi Jen
                  He seems to be brighter sine the new insulin. It is difficult because of the ear infection. He goes for the bile acid test tomorrow.

                  I scared myself silly yesterday looking at the blood tests and concluded that his liver was about to pack in. So I have stopped looking!
                  Ann and Yuli - Yuli is 11 yrs and was dx Aug 2012. He lives with 1 other Tibetan Terrier aged 14. Yuli is 39 lb and is on 25 iu Caninsulin x 2. Got his sight back June 19 2014.

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                  • #129
                    Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                    I have heard of a afir amount of people using the milk thistle that Barb recommended with good results.

                    Great news that it isn't cushings.
                    Tara in honor of Ruby.
                    She was a courageous Boston Terrier who marched right on through diabetes, megaesophagus, and EPI until 14.
                    Lucky for both of us we found each other. I'd do it all again girly.

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                    • #130
                      Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                      Great news that it isn't Cushings...
                      So glad to hear that.

                      Milk Thistle bought Abby's liver functions within normal range within 6 months. But in just a few weeks, you could see a difference. Demarinim is another that has both Milk Thistle and Sam-E. Both together is better, but it is more expensive.

                      I have used both... but started with the Milk Thistle. One thing to mention about the liver, and that is it can heal itself. It may be in this state due to the Diabetes being uncontolled, prior to Yuli being diagnosed.
                      Barb & Abby 12/24/1999-12/31/2013 ~ dx 5/10/2011 ~ Forever in my heart ~

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                      • #131
                        Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                        Barb, I wanted to let you know I think you bring something unique to the forum in your experience of supplements and nutritional support such as the Standard Process vitamins. I look forward to this perspective and your posts.

                        Tara
                        Tara in honor of Ruby.
                        She was a courageous Boston Terrier who marched right on through diabetes, megaesophagus, and EPI until 14.
                        Lucky for both of us we found each other. I'd do it all again girly.

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                        • #132
                          Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                          Hi

                          Never heard of milk thistle, but I found this link which is a bit off-putting.

                          http://www.pbiv.com/articles/milkthistle.html
                          Ann and Yuli - Yuli is 11 yrs and was dx Aug 2012. He lives with 1 other Tibetan Terrier aged 14. Yuli is 39 lb and is on 25 iu Caninsulin x 2. Got his sight back June 19 2014.

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                          • #133
                            Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                            My vet recommends milk thistle and SAM-e as supplements for Jack. There have been many clinical studies which demonstrate the effectiveness of both for liver detoxification and liver regeneration.
                            Nutramax Laboratories sells them as separate products and also in a combined form as a chewable tablet for dogs/cats. http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/Vet/Prod...er-health.aspx
                            The milk thistle/phosphatidyl choline complex (lecithin) is good because it increases the absorbtion of the silymarin. These products are expensive. Since Jack is a large dog I give him the human Samsyl version from Nutramax and just wrp the capsule in a bit of cheese or liverwurst so that he will swallow it. I have also just used basic milk thistle and human SAM-e supplements dosed in the same manner.
                            Ivermectin (heartworm preventive) is extensively metabilized by the liver and since he is heartworm positive he gets doxycycline for 10 days each month. He often gets cholestasis and jaundice from the doxy. Dandelion root and artichoke root aid in bile transport and they help to get his bile flow back to normal.
                            There are also other supplements that I give Jack for his liver function. I give him milk thistle/silymarin and SAM-E on a regular basis and the others when he is taking ivermectin or doxycycline.
                            Last edited by Jack'sMommy; 09-12-2012, 09:22 AM. Reason: to add a link

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                            • #134
                              Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                              Thanks JacksMommy

                              I know nothing at all about supplements. I will have a word with my vet and see if they have any thoughts on this. Because we are so new to the disease, I don't want to give him anything without consulting first.

                              He gets a bile acid test tomorrow, not sure when we get the results, but I will ask the vet then.
                              Ann and Yuli - Yuli is 11 yrs and was dx Aug 2012. He lives with 1 other Tibetan Terrier aged 14. Yuli is 39 lb and is on 25 iu Caninsulin x 2. Got his sight back June 19 2014.

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                              • #135
                                Re: Nubie Yuli diagnosed a week ago

                                Originally posted by Rubytuesday View Post
                                Barb, I wanted to let you know I think you bring something unique to the forum in your experience of supplements and nutritional support such as the Standard Process vitamins. I look forward to this perspective and your posts.

                                Tara
                                Thanks Tara... you are too sweet. I, like the rest of us, do alot of research... I just need to read a novel again, like I use to..
                                Barb & Abby 12/24/1999-12/31/2013 ~ dx 5/10/2011 ~ Forever in my heart ~

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